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1 posted on 04/21/2009 8:06:32 AM PDT by AreaMan
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“The later historians of the New Deal and the Great Society sneered that the idea of ‘laissez faire’ was an abdication of governmental responsibility, but this was propaganda. The best translation of the term is the activist ‘let us do,’ not the passive ‘let us be,’”

I’m at a loss as to what’s the difference. Is there more government intervention in the latter than the former? If so, I prefer the New Deal’s version.

The real propaganda is the idea that we ever had real laissez faire. We certainly haven’t had it since the adoption of the Constitution. From what I’ve heard, commerce wasn’t smooth under the Articles, either.

Just when was this golden era of free markets, and do I have to walk through a looking glass to get back?


2 posted on 04/21/2009 8:25:11 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: AreaMan

Interesting overview of the development of our current nanny-state. Kudos to the author for showing the evolution of American government but I am always sadly ammused at people who suggest a constitutional convention as a solution for our current problems. A constitutional convention would simply open up our foundational law to the same special interest groups who have destroyed the republic. If our ideas cannot win in the legislative systems we have now what makes conservatives belive that they would win in a constitutional convention?


3 posted on 04/21/2009 8:25:21 AM PDT by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: AreaMan

Enjoyed the read


4 posted on 04/21/2009 8:31:32 AM PDT by IrishMike (Liberalism is a psychological disorder and a dangerous mental illness.)
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To: AreaMan

Our republic is well grounded on the Constitution. The fact that is is perpetually ignored by far too many of our self-serving politicians will make reclaiming our nation and our liberties an absolute necessity at some point in time. As those in possession of increasingly “absolute” authority are unlikely to give it up without a struggle, a second American revolution will be required. Should actual Americans allow the left and its monied backers to overturn what remains of our founding documents, the nation will be finished. There will be no “Fourth Republic”, only a dictatorship.


5 posted on 04/21/2009 8:31:42 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: AreaMan
I think the guy overlooked New England. It consisted of a group of colonial enterprizes melded together by the British Crown (circa 1676) immediately following a serious Indian uprising.

The colonies had not done well in defending themselves. A recent estimate suggested that 25% of the population ended up dead or seriously injured, with a very substantial percentage of housing and places of business burned to the ground.

Anyway, by the time you get to 1776 New Englanders had had a full century of Crown administration with semi-autonomous homerule in the former colonial areas. BTW, one of those colonies, Plymouth, had been incorporated into Massachusetts. Long Island had a questionable existence as part of New England since it's more settled parts were a rowboat away from New York. New York and New England created a "buffer state" called Vermont to better delineate their competing borders. That "state" was quite primitive and there's a good question of whether it ran itself, or was run by fur traders, or was simply administered by New England on an "as necessary" basis (obviously questions that can be asked right down to the present time).

New Englanders got a jump on Southerners in settleing the Ohio Valley and Great Lakes regions after the American Revolution. Their tradition of semi-autonomous rule within the far larger realm of a Crown entity called New England set them up to think of the "new states in the West" as being little different than the autonomous regions of New England.

In short, the New England concept of federalism was much more like that of Canada today than of Southern colonies then ~ which is only logical.

Some of the "new states" in the Ohio Valley did have some serious Southern immigration ~ mostly from Virginia (into Kentucky and Soutern Indiana, Ohio and Illinois) and North Carolina ~ into pretty much the same places. Later on there was serious imigration from South Carolina and Georgia as anti-slavery Southerners fled North to escape what can only be described as "persecution".

All of which is to say that federalism in the United States has been of two minds all along.

9 posted on 04/21/2009 8:34:20 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AreaMan

“Demosclerosis”, I like it.

“... As Thomas Jefferson said, “Great innovations should not be forced on slender majorities.”...”

And this is what Obama and the radical left is doing with
this administration, we see it happening, and refuse to
accept it.


11 posted on 04/21/2009 8:50:57 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: AreaMan

Excellent article by the way.
t.


12 posted on 04/21/2009 8:51:50 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: AreaMan

Ping to read later.


13 posted on 04/21/2009 8:59:24 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (The Constitution & Bill of Rights stand as a whole. Remove any part & nullify the whole.)
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To: AreaMan

It’s been 30+ years since I took it, but my French tells me that “laissez faire” translates better as “let [allow] you [to] do,” or “leave [you] to do.”

“Laissez” is the second person plural (or formal) conjugation of the verb “laisser.” To say, “let [us] do,” one would say “laissons faire.”


14 posted on 04/21/2009 10:04:05 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Ping for later read


16 posted on 04/21/2009 3:25:43 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: AreaMan

To put it all together you need to read 1- The Constitution, then 2- The Federalist Papers and then 3- The Anti Federalist Papers.

The opinions of
# “Centinel” (Samuel Bryan)
# “Federal Farmer” (Melancton Smith? or Richard Henry Lee?)
# “Brutus” (Robert Yates)
# “John DeWitt” (?)
# “Cato” (George Clinton?)
# “Pennsylvania Minority”
# Patrick Henry speeches
# Melancton Smith speeches

These were Founding Fathers who were against ratification of The Constitution.

It makes more sense when you study both sides.


17 posted on 04/21/2009 7:08:49 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (The Constitution & Bill of Rights stand as a whole. Remove any part & nullify the whole.)
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To: AreaMan

Ping. Thought-provoking article.


18 posted on 04/21/2009 7:31:37 PM PDT by Publius (Sex is the manifestation of God's wicked sense of humor.)
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My fault, AreaMan. I was pinging Billthedrill. Good article.


19 posted on 04/21/2009 7:32:26 PM PDT by Publius (Sex is the manifestation of God's wicked sense of humor.)
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Libertarian ping.


20 posted on 04/22/2009 9:43:55 AM PDT by MetaThought
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21 posted on 04/22/2009 9:54:01 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: AreaMan

Excellent read!


22 posted on 04/22/2009 10:39:53 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (RESIGN NOW, Napolitano! You are a national disgrace!.)
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Note: this topic is from April 21, 2009.
24 posted on 05/13/2009 5:06:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Travis McGee

An interesting article I came across recently from a link elsewhere. Of course I find it had been posted here at FR when new.

Worth the read for the Big Ideas aspects, as well as for the longer historical view of what is happening.


26 posted on 01/30/2010 7:11:15 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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Two possibilities for change seem most promising. The first is a third political party that explicitly repudiates the present course and requires that its members eschew the legitimacy of the Special Interest State. This would require a certain almost religious fervor, but the great tides of history and politics are always religious in nature, so that is no bar.

This second would be more bottom-up. The Constitution has a residue of the original alliance-of-states polity that has never been used. Two-thirds of the state legislatures can force Congress to call a constitutional convention, and the results of that enterprise can then be ratified by three-quarters of the states. So reform efforts could start at the grassroots and coalesce around states until two-thirds of them decide to march on the Capitol. There is already a lively movement along these lines. On the other hand, the states are no paragons, in that the model of the Special Interest State reigns triumphantly there as well, so a few comments about pots and kettles could be made. Realistically, though, organization from the bottom up is a real possibility.

We're already doing both.

Thought-provoking article. Thanks for posting it.

27 posted on 01/30/2010 7:33:42 AM PST by EternalVigilance (For America's sake, it's time to separate school and state!)
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