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To: reaganaut1; dennisw
I think you have it about right, the issue boils down to equality of opportunity or equality of outcome.

We are not talking about somebody coming around to read your water meter, we are talking about life and death situations often in very exposed in dangerous places. The firefighter' s risks are many fold those of a policeman on the beat so the hiring of firefighters is not a place for social engineering and for affirmative action. You are looking for action heroes not for models to pose in a Gap advertisement.

It is regrettable that the test in question contained a 40% subjective element which was the interview. It makes the case for the white fire fighting applicants less objective. Nonetheless, we can make some observations.

The Case law as I understand it from this article is that tests which result in statistically discriminatory results are invalid unless they bear a direct relationship to job performance:

At any rate, the city says it was bound by Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which requires employers not to rely on hiring or promotional tests that have a "disparate impact" on minorities unless they can show a "business necessity."

So the Constitution requires hiring based on race to achieve statistical balance even in the face of objective tests unless the employer can demonstrate a "business necessity." One can hardly think of an occupation where job performance is more of a "business necessity" than climbing through the fourth story window of a burning building to save grandma.

Clearly, a Fire Department is entitled to rely on tests which result in statistically "disparate impacts" unless the test itself is flawed. This raises the question of the scope of discretion in the employer issuing the test to determine whether it reveals a business necessity. Which is another way of asking, what is the scope of review by the courts? Since this is a civil rights case, all of the discretion and latitude normally given to such an employer or city is very strictly construed and limited. In other words the courts feel quite free to interpose their judgment about what real firefighters should be like because we're dealing with race. The legal question should be, does the test bear a reasonable and rational relationship to its legitimate purpose? If so, the courts inquiry should stop.

So it will all come down to a subjective judgment on the part of Justice Kennedy, just as the Washington Post said.

Justice Kennedy's decision will probably come down to whether he wants equality of opportunity or equality of outcome. This matter stands as yet another reason why I say that all politics in America is not local, but racial.


15 posted on 04/19/2009 5:29:36 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Justice Kennedy’s decision will probably come down to whether he wants equality of opportunity or equality of outcome. This matter stands as yet another reason why I say that all politics in America is not local, but racial..........

Tribal is more accurate and the most tribalist are Blacks and Hispanics. Whites can’t wait to give it all away and their voting for 0boma proves that America is post racial/post tribal as far as they are concerned. Jews vote for their enemies and whites vote for their enemies. Blacks and Hispanics do not


16 posted on 04/19/2009 5:35:19 AM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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To: nathanbedford
At any rate, the city says it was bound by Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which requires employers not to rely on hiring or promotional tests that have a "disparate impact" on minorities unless they can show a "business necessity."

So the Constitution requires hiring based on race to achieve statistical balance even in the face of objective tests unless the employer can demonstrate a "business necessity." One can hardly think of an occupation where job performance is more of a "business necessity" than climbing through the fourth story window of a burning building to save grandma.

I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me this is NOT what the Constitution requires, but rather what Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act says. Two different things. It seems to me that the 14th Amendment would make this part of Title null and void.

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

(emphasis mine)
22 posted on 04/19/2009 5:51:36 AM PDT by gitmo (History books will read that Lincoln freed the slaves and Obama enslaved the free.)
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