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Time Warner Bandwidth Cap Points Industry Toward Utility Pricing
InformationWeek ^ | 16 Apr 09 | Antone Gonsalves

Posted on 04/17/2009 8:24:40 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY

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To: GATOR NAVY

consumer backlash to this may rival the Tea Parties...


21 posted on 04/17/2009 8:50:14 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: jacquej
It means once they do finally implement it, you could be over the (Time Warner) bandwidth cap. Comcast is toying around with a 250 gig per month cap that you probably wouldn't break, however. A quick internet search shows that moderate WoW users are pulling 3 to 4 gig a month or more, but not close to 250.

Now that assumes you are the only person using the connection. If you have several people in the house using it and someone with an XBOX playing against others online, then you might be using a lot more than 5 gig.

If all of the cable companies do something like this, I would support actions to limit their monopolies in each market.
22 posted on 04/17/2009 8:50:19 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: jacquej
Really, my kid plays all those games, a lot. Not to mention I have phone, TV and Internet coming thru the same pipe. Could be interesting.
23 posted on 04/17/2009 8:52:55 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: GATOR NAVY
Fortunately, Time Warner has shelved this plan for now. Since their primary targets were areas that had limited or no competition, they could have easily gotten away with this in select areas.

However, as soon as they start losing customers to ISP’s that will still offer unlimited bandwidth, or at least reasonable “caps”, they will be forced to move back to reasonable rates or bankruptcy.

Their greed is appalling.

24 posted on 04/17/2009 8:54:32 AM PDT by Pox
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To: jacquej
Does anyone have any idea how much bandwidth WoW takes per hour of play?

Kind of old but maybe it has some info you can use. There are bandwidth monitor programs you can download that would give you an idea of your usage.

25 posted on 04/17/2009 8:58:20 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: dfwgator

It isn’t flash or java on web pages, it’s video.

Hulu, Netflix streaming movies, MLB.TV, movie downloads.

Competition with other video services is the driving force behind the caps.

Why should I pay $100 per month for cable, when I can watch all the shows I want on the net? The MLB package is $169 per year on cable and $109 on the net. The online version shows all the games in HD while the cable version has low quality standard def.

Hulu shows current TV shows for free. Netflix streams movies and TV shows. There are a growing number of made for the net video shows.

Cable companies are losing customers to broadband video services. It’s under the radar right now, but like the loss of land line service to cellular, it will grow and drag down the cable providers.


26 posted on 04/17/2009 9:03:26 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: jacquej
What does this mean for those who play online games, like World of Warcraft?

Nothing, really. If you run a bandwidth meter while you play, you transfer maybe a few thousand megabytes during the course of a day of play. It's not small potatoes by some standards, but I don't think you'd hit a 10 GB cap in a month.

That being said, this will completely destroy internet marketing and advertising. People will find non-graphical browsers or even go back to the old days of text-only. I run Firefox with AdBlock Plus and NoScript, and a lot of the graphical, flashy media is blocked anyway. How much advertising is lost by that though?

I have been trying diligently to cut back my internet usage. No social networking sites, instant messaging, etc. I do my FReep stuff, read emails, banking, etc. For the most part, however, my entertainment comes from books. I think a lot of folks should find other means to entertain themselves. Gardening, HAM radio, woodworking, or gunsmithing, all favorites of mine, would be adequate and fulfilling hobbies to enjoy.

We need to get back to basics. Online is no place to make things happen. There's nothing more satisfying than a beer after a day of hanging

27 posted on 04/17/2009 9:03:41 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: lwd
I’ll just use my neighbors non-secure WIFI to download the big stuff...(joking)

There have been some pretty interesting threads here on that subject.

The ethics of "stealing" a WiFi connection

28 posted on 04/17/2009 9:04:27 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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So glad I jumper from TWC to FIOS, even with a few billing glitches at verizon.

Cable is doing this to cash in on the coming wave of entertainment integration online. HD Movie downloads, HDtv over ip, news feeds, gaming communities etc. Its going to be huge.


29 posted on 04/17/2009 9:08:17 AM PDT by catbertz
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To: GATOR NAVY

I think we’re about to see collusion at its worst as they all implement caps. The key will be to continue to watch the market, negotiate the best deal, and be willing to switch as needed. I’d expect something similar to the cell phone business where you lock into a certain rate for a period of time. For email I’d switch to an ISP-insensitive service like gmail so that as I switched providers there would be no email address change to deal with.

I would think that the advertisers would scream the most as there would be a distinct rise in ad-blocking software - why pay to get ads? Not me...

Oh well, my $.02


30 posted on 04/17/2009 9:09:15 AM PDT by NCjim ("Lies have to be covered up, truth can run around naked." - Johnny Cash)
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To: mysterio
If all of the cable companies do something like this, I would support actions to limit their monopolies in each market.

Me too. Something tells me TWC wouldn't even think about this if I had Verizon to service my house too.

31 posted on 04/17/2009 9:55:38 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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To: GATOR NAVY

>>Analysts say the value of the Internet means providers can sell bandwidth much like utility companies sell electricity or municipalities sell water. <<

Eheh, heh. He’s not very good at analogies. The utility compamies are the SOURCE of the commodity, not merely hte pipeline through which it is delivered.


32 posted on 04/17/2009 9:58:26 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: GATOR NAVY

It’s like deciding to increase long distance rates while the rest of the world is moving towards a free long distance paradigm.

You can always cancel your service and just use free wi-fi, which is only increasing in availability.


33 posted on 04/17/2009 10:01:37 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: MediaMole
It isn’t flash or java on web pages, it’s video.

But imagine if you were billed for Internet usage, just like Electical usage, where each MB downloaded cost more, you basically would have to offer a no-frills version of your site that only downloaded the least amount of data needed to do the task, it would be like the early days, where bandwidth was limited due to technical constraints, now it would be necessary to limit the expense to the website user.

34 posted on 04/17/2009 10:17:55 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: catbertz
Cable is doing this to cash in on the coming wave of entertainment integration online. HD Movie downloads, HDtv over ip, news feeds, gaming communities etc. Its going to be huge.

I would think that there would be a way to distinguish Internet usage for things like downloading movies, from regular Internet usage. So would pay to provider a fee for downloading a movie, but it wouldn't go against regular Internet usage, which would still be a flat fee. Ahhh, but here is the rub, if you choose to download movies from outside of your Internet provider, with the huge file sizes, then that's what they want to control, in order to force you to only purchase that kind of content through their service. So what they could do is charge you based not on total usage, but on the size of a file, so as long as a downloaded file doesn't exceed a certain size, they won't charge, but if the file size suggests it some kind of entertainment content, then you would get charged. Of course bit-torrent programs are a way to get around that limitation.

35 posted on 04/17/2009 10:27:55 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: dfwgator
Yep, this is going to have serious implications for the design of web sites.

No doubt.

Flash and photo albums and most graphic intensive web sites will see less usage. However, others, like Hollywood Video and Blockbuster will see a resurgence with their in-store video rentals. I think they should hold off on any bankruptcy plans for a while.
36 posted on 04/17/2009 10:28:55 AM PDT by adorno (Where is Branch 4?)
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To: mysterio
In other words, they got a lot of negative rfeedback and they can't implement it until Comcast and AT&T are on board to do the same thing. Which is collusion.

What's even better is that where I live, DSL isn't an option, since I'm too far from the CO, FIOS isn't available (though Verizon does offer 1Mbs wireless), so all that leaves me is TWC. Time Warner has an exclusive agreement with the city: My aunt in a neighboring city has a choice of 4 different cable services, consequently she has telephone HS Internet, and cable tv service at just a bit more than 1/2 of what I pay just for my Internet service through TWC.

Mark

37 posted on 04/17/2009 11:19:06 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: GATOR NAVY

how very leftist.

knowledge is to be metered out to those who have the ability to understand.

internet is knowledge and knowledge for all is a danger to the state. As far as the corporation is concerned, people only need to be smart enough to pay for streaming movies but not smart enough to ask questions that endanger the company. (nobody likes those pesky people at utility meetings)

Next it will be only certain bandwidth is allowed.


38 posted on 04/17/2009 11:23:03 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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