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To: Finny

I think: the captain jumped overboard the first time, as CNN reported,.......

I agree
The second jump maybe but I don’t think so because he was tied up plus if they didn’t kill his captors after the first jump he will be thinking “Why will they do it if I jump again? They must be under orders to negotiate”
But who knows because you lose clear thought after being cooped up in a sweltering life boat for 4 days

It must have been a crowded scene there with FBI hostage negotiators, FBI lawyers, State Department honchos and State Department lawyers. With the Navy Seals the lowest in the pecking order because they use guns (oh horrors!) instead of words

The Navy Seal snipers were given orders to keep an eye on the hostage situation while the real geniuses in charge from the State Department went to work with their negotiating skills. The FBI hostage negotiators were also given priority over Navy Seals because they’re just gun toting thugs


102 posted on 04/18/2009 1:23:12 AM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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To: dennisw
Yeah, I don't buy the "second jump" scenario and never did. I'd even be dubious about the first jump except that there's no reason I can see why someone would make it up, whereas there are plenty of reasons to make up the second jump. See, I operate on a different premise than most. As far as I know, there were no reporters or news cameras there to see what happened -- the news media is entirely at the mercy of the officials for an account of what went down. Therefore, I automatically consider the official accounts of the incident as possibilities only. For example, they report that the captain was tied up. Maybe he was (makes sense to me), but maybe he wasn't. Those things we cannot know.

But we CAN and DO know human nature, absolutely -- there's no fooling anyone there. The kinds of men who become SEALS are a very particular type: self-disciplined, above-average in intelligence, driven, tight-knit team players to the hilt, and above all, proactive people with intense mechanical, technical and physical skills. These are men who get things done, and it's a consistent trait in their whole life philosophies. They don't talk about doing something, they plan a strategy and DO it. They don't have much time or patience for those who just talk.

Likewise, the personality types who become bureaucrats, negotiators, lawyers, State Department "honchos," may be very good, disciplined, and honest men, but the general personality type is reactive. They hum and haw and ponder and pontificate, take their time, and strategize ad nauseum. They are generally not going to possess much in the way of technical, mechanical, or physical skills; theirs are mainly intellectual.

In real front-line situations, whether it's on the battlefield or in tackling a home improvement project, the first type will run circles around the second type, and do it before the second type even catches on. So I can easily envision a scene where the SEALS come up with, and execute, a plan to take out the pirates right beneath the State Department and FBI honchos' noses. Claiming that the captain jumped a second time would be the way they'd do it and they'd be able to gamble pretty safely that the captain would back up their story, even if he'd been tied up tighter than a drunk on a three-day binge.

SEALS' claims of a "second jump" triggering their move to action would back everybody else into a corner defensive position and protect the SEALS. These guys are smart -- smarter than the guys in the State Department.

If the imaginary "second jump" story stood, it would make Obama to be a fool because it would be clear that the captain, not Obama, instigated the rescue. They knew damned well Obama couldn't stand that, and that the story would be changed to whatever version would be necessary to save face for Obama, and that's what happened, at least that's what I think. The SEALS defended our nation and saved the captain in whatever way they needed to, as devious as it was -- mission accomplished.

Your post #92 says it so well: The Seals also sent a message from the entire militarily to 0bama which was -— Don’t make us your fools, we will turn the tables on you for a righteous cause.

103 posted on 04/18/2009 2:29:50 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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