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To: Filo; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; GodGunsGuts; spirited irish; hosepipe
It's when they push beyond those boundaries to defy logic and reason and to declare that clearly correct science is not correct just because it runs counter to what their pastor pounded into their malleable minds at age 8.

"Logos" is the epistemological root of the word "logic." Without the absolute Logos, logic and reason itself would be impossible. Which evidently is a point you wish to demonstrate for us.

BTW FWIW, I did not get anything pounded into my head by clergy in my childhood. I had no religious instruction to speak of when I was a child; I was never confirmed into any religion as child. (My Father is a Deist and wouldn't permit it.) My theological perspective is based on God's four revelations: Holy Scripture, the Incarnation, the Book of Creation (the natural world), and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. I discovered the four seamlessly dovetail on all levels and mutually agree.

Recognizing this, at that point in my life (a couple decades ago), I accepted Jesus Christ — the Son of God, the Word, Logos of the Beginning, the Alpha–Omega, and final Judge of all things and especially of souls — as my savior and redeemer.

You keep insisting that the materialist/naturalist/physicalist point of view yields "clearly correct science." Okay. I'll agree with your statement provided you concur that science limits itself to such things as are material and physical. Which is what its method is supposed to do.

But there are many things "in heaven and earth" that do not and cannot fall within the range of direct scientific observation. Do you think things do not exist unless they are amenable to scientific analysis? In other words, that the (strictly self-limited) scientific method is the touchstone or criterion of what it means for something to be "real?"

215 posted on 04/27/2009 11:55:10 AM PDT by betty boop (All truthful knowledge begins and ends in experience. — Albert Einstein)
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To: betty boop
You keep insisting that the materialist/naturalist/physicalist point of view yields "clearly correct science." Okay. I'll agree with your statement provided you concur that science limits itself to such things as are material and physical. Which is what its method is supposed to do.

But there are many things "in heaven and earth" that do not and cannot fall within the range of direct scientific observation. Do you think things do not exist unless they are amenable to scientific analysis? In other words, that the (strictly self-limited) scientific method is the touchstone or criterion of what it means for something to be "real?"


Yes.

If science can't touch it then it's not real.

All of that metaphysical hokum is, therefore, just that.
218 posted on 04/27/2009 12:07:24 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: betty boop
Thank you so very much for your testimony and insights, dearest sister in Christ!

But there are many things "in heaven and earth" that do not and cannot fall within the range of direct scientific observation.

So very true. It is irrational for science project its findings onto things which it excluded from its investigation in the first place.

285 posted on 04/27/2009 9:25:25 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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