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To: Fichori
You cannot say what we haven't seen.

Actually, I can. That whole gift of a brain thing. . .

Unfortunately that hasn't stopped you from making one logical blunder after another.

I haven't made any.

Following the facts lends itself to that kind of error-free existence.

Do you believe that science would be further advanced and better off if religious people couldn't interfere?

Another silly trap type question.

I believe that people's minds are inherently more open in the absence of religion and, therefore, scientific advancement is far more likely.

IOW, they didn't self create, which is exactly the point I was making. (A point you called ‘Nonsense circular reasoning’)

It's possible they did self-create in some sense, but not as you imply.

Regardless there is a reasoned, scientifically provable/acceptable explanation for them out there waiting to be discovered.

Neither God* nor the Flying Spaghetti Monster had anything to do with it.

If the natural laws of physics were created by other laws that were not exactly identical to the ones we have now, then the current ones have a non-naturalistic origin, because naturalistic is defined by the laws of nature as they exist now.

Untrue. Naturalistic explanations exist because laws exist but the specific configuration of those is irrelevant. If we find more or different laws then science will adapt.

The Big Bang is a super-natural event because it violates several known natural laws.

Known being the operative word. Nobody is willing to say that we know all that is knowable.

The difference between you and I is that you're willing to say "let's stop seeking and explain the rest as God*"

I see that as the cop-out it is. The way you authoritatively speak of what will and won't happen, I can't help but wonder, are you now a prophet?

Funny. Stupid, but funny.

Do you think religion interferes with science and should be disallowed from influencing it?

Religion interferes with intelligence and reason and should be disallowed period.

We should never pollute our minds with known drivel.
138 posted on 04/23/2009 3:34:06 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo
You cannot say what we haven't seen.
“Actually, I can. That whole gift of a brain thing. . .” [excerpt]
Well, if you were my other personality, then you could.

But since you are not, you have no way to know what I have or haven't seen.

Unfortunately that hasn't stopped you from making one logical blunder after another.
“I haven't made any.

Following the facts lends itself to that kind of error-free existence.”
[excerpt]
One of your primary errors is in believing that you have not made any.

“Another silly trap type question.

I believe that people's minds are inherently more open in the absence of religion and, therefore, scientific advancement is far more likely.”
[excerpt]
But religion does not hinder scientific advancement?

“It's possible they did self-create in some sense, but not as you imply.

Regardless there is a reasoned, scientifically provable/acceptable explanation for them out there waiting to be discovered.

Neither God* nor the Flying Spaghetti Monster had anything to do with it.”
[excerpt]
But you cannot prove that.

“Untrue. Naturalistic explanations exist because laws exist but the specific configuration of those is irrelevant. If we find more or different laws then science will adapt.” [excerpt]
What if you find the laws of God?

“Known being the operative word. Nobody is willing to say that we know all that is knowable.” [excerpt]
Does this apply to God as well?

“The difference between you and I is that you're willing to say "let's stop seeking and explain the rest as God*"” [excerpt]
You are a lousy mind reader/prophet.

And your pants are on fire.

“Funny. Stupid, but funny.” [excerpt]
Well, you act like a prophet, so what other conclusion do you expect me to come to?

Religion interferes with intelligence and reason and should be disallowed period. [excerpt, bold emphasis mine]

Thats tageline material...

“We should never pollute our minds with known drivel.” [excerpt]
Naturalism is known drivel.


BTW, you didn't answer my question about Popper.
140 posted on 04/23/2009 4:00:35 PM PDT by Fichori (The only bailout I'm interested in is the one where the entire Democrat party leaves the county)
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