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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
“Navy says it can do little to stop future pirate attacks”

Is that what the Navy says or is that what the Navy was told to say?

Because, out here in fly over country where we are bled white with taxes,we think we ought to get a little more bang for our buck than to have the ‘Navy’ (a recipient of our hard earned taxes) tell us they can't defend themselves on the high seas!!!! What???!!! The most sophisticated MOFO Navy on earth can't defend itself? Am I supposed to believe that?????

If the Navy can't defend itself with all the high tech gadgetry we have, then I have to suspect that they were TOLD not to defend themselves!!!!!

19 posted on 04/14/2009 11:42:50 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else" Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: SMARTY
You see the Navy has all these wonderful toys.... but the hands of the ship captains are tied by the spineless, gutless, brainless, nut-less wonders in the 5 sided puzzle palace on the Potomac. The Navy is no longer commanded by “men” it is commanded by “political hacks” who if they have ever walked a deck in their lives have forgotten their vows and oaths to keep their fat a$$e$ in a position of “power”. The only real fighting men left in the USA are the MARINES.... and god help us all.
33 posted on 04/14/2009 12:23:13 PM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: SMARTY
The most sophisticated MOFO Navy on earth can't defend itself? Am I supposed to believe that?

Unfortunately that is exactly the case. Our sophisticated Navy was designed to fight other sophisticated Navies. There was a popular science fiction story several years back about a fighter pilot in an F-14 who was thrown back in time to World War I. It turned out that his sensors and weapons were completely useless against low tech fabric and wood technology of the time. Ultimately he figures out that he can damage them by flying close at supersonic speed but I digress. This is the same problem a Burke Class destroyer faces when it takes on a dingy.

I operated extensively north of that area near Socotra in the 1987-89 time frame aboard a Navy frigate. At the time were worried about Iranian suicide missions on small boats (boghammers) and in small private airplanes. Our radars could not pick out fiberglass boats from the surface clutter and we could not determine the intent of a small airplane and we had no weapons that were effective against these low tech threats. We were hell on wheels against Echo Class subs and Backfire bombers but completely flummoxed by those low tech threats. I believe the literature refers to this situation as asymmetrical warfare.

How did we counter this? We had to bring back the venerable M2 heavy machine gun. They came out of mothballs from the Naval Weapons Station in Crane IN and mounts were welded to the deck around the ship. Unfortunately the care and feeding of these Browning designed masterpieces had faded from corporate memory so they had to ask for volunteers of retired Gunners Mates (who responded en masse) to come and teach their successors how to set the timing and headspace. For the aircraft threat the Navy created Stinger detachments that would swap from ship to ship as needed with their gear.

I think the framework necessary for solving this problem exists. We also carried at various times what the US Coast Guard called "Tactical Law Enforcement Teams" (TACLET). This was when the government still pretended to care about the law and wanted to maintain the fiction that DOD was not violating Posse Comitatus in the War on Drugs. These teams of 5-7 petty officers and one junior officer would come aboard with their gear and weapons for as long as the mission dictated. Teams such as these are very effective and could ride ships through the pirate zone without any of the problems of arming crews or hiring contractors.

The only problem with this is that I have just solved a non-existent problem as they say. Why is that you ask? You see we don't have a Merchant Marine any more and thanks to blatant protectionism and union featherbedding we haven't for decades. When you sail the Indian Ocean a US flagged merchantman is a rarity of the highest order.

The only time a US flagged vessel is used is when there is no other way around the protectionist law. Maersk Alabama was delivering humanitarian aid under a US Government contract which specified that a US flag carrier deliver said aid, otherwise she would not have been within 2 or 3 thousand miles of there.

So this is technically not an American problem. The pirates probably won't get their hands on another American vessel because statistically there aren't any (and I am sure this figured into The One's calculus in allowing the action). This is a problem for the open registries like Panama and Liberia and I wish them all success in this endeavor.

35 posted on 04/14/2009 12:28:41 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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