Why Obama will never show his vault birth certificate.

The Greater Evil ^ | 04/13/09 | Polarik

[Polarik]

>>Hawaii never confirmed a request for, nor the printing of, this Certification of Live Birth.<<

I'm pretty sure that's what Hawaii said they were doing.

Funny you should mention that because I was going back over the two articles that Politifact, the St. Pete Times sister site to Factcheck, had published when I uncovered two glaring errors they made which I forgot to mention.

For starters, Hawaii, as in Chyome Fukino, Director of Health, and Alvin Onaka, State Registrar and Head of OHSM, never said "Boo" about Obama's alleged "Certification of Live Birth." Now, here's where Politifact's Amy Hollyfield coughs up this big hairball on June 27, when she claimed that spokesperson, Janice Okubo (who else?), told her that "he, the registrar, looked at the image" she sent her and said that "he thought he saw traces of the embossed Seal."

Yeah....right. Funny, he didn't know anything about this COLB when I talked with him.

Hollyfield's article stinks to high heaven on this and other dubious claims. For one thing, we don't know which COLB image Hollyfield allegedly emailed to Okubo, but the odds are that she emailed the same copy that Politifact had posted: a shrunken, 93K, 811 x 786 pixel, hackjob that was almost as small as the one on Fight The Smears.

Getting back to Onaka and Fukino, right around the time that Bozo made his third visit to Hawaii, on HALLOWEEN (how appropriate), they went looking for "Obama's original birth certificate" (aka, Ghosts of birth certificates past). Now ONLY a government agency would call, "timely," an otherwise, a four and one-half month hiatus AFTER the bogus, one-side COLB was posted on the Internet, and subsequent cries of "fake! fake!" were defended to the death by Factcheck, Politifact, Politico, Snopes, and the ever-reliable Chicago Times.

As a matter of record (and "Record" is the operative word here), when Fukino made her "earth-shaking" announcement on Oct. 31, that she and Dr. Onaka had "personally seen and verified" that they have "Barack Obama's original birth certificate on record," they may not have even looked at a physical piece of paper!

They could have been staring at an envelope in which the original birth certificate would have been sealed when it was exchanged for a Hawaiian COLB up to a year after Obama was born. Heck, the envelope could have been empty, or contain a blank sheet of paper for all we were NOT told.

They could have been staring at a computer screen with a database RECORD on which the date of the late birth registration was entered and the country of origin for the original birth certificate accepted for exchange.

What else could "on record," mean? One one thing that Fukino and Onaka NEVER SAID was that Obama was born in Hawaii. You can bet your bottom dollar that if they knew Obama was a Hawaiian homey, there would be a State-sponsored luau in Obama's honor still be going on.

The two of them ought to go on "Dancing with the Stars" the way they danced around Obama's birth certificate issue.

As far as who we'd like to see on a TV show, my vote goes to Politifact's Amy Hollifield, as a guest on FOX's MOMENT OF TRUTH.

Not only does she provide a patently false answer to the question as to why was the COLB date-stamped "June 6, 2007" when Hollyfield quoted Janice Okubo as saying that "someone ordered his birth certificate in June 2008," but that she doesn't remember who. Ah, let me remind her of another suspicious quote.

In Hollyfield's original article on the COLB, circa June 13, 2008, she specifically quoted Obama's Muckraker Madam, Shaun Daly, as the one requesting his "birth certificate," -- which Hollyfield later admits that "only family members can get a copy" and that's the reason why they (Politifact) are only now receiving a copy.

Then on the follow-up article on June 27, Hollyfield repeats the criticisms of the bogus image, including the one about why is it stamped 2007 if ordered in 2008, but STILL says nothing in response to them!:

"When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real."

"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

Then the firestorm started:

• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar's signature?

• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.

• Isn't the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document "June 2007?" (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)

• There's no crease from being folded and mailed.

• It's clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud. Well, she did quote Okubo again who said, as to why the Seal and the Registrar stamp are not shown, "the scan was made of the front side and they would not be seen because they are on the back side."

A simple solution to that problem would have been for anyone to get off their backside and request a scan of the reverse side.

That is, of course, if there really was a reverse side of a genuine COLB to scan - which we now know is imaginary.

Here's an interesting factoid:

For kicks, I did a search of "Polarik" on the Daily Kos website, and the only things it turned up were two comments of about ten words each -- one, in Dec 2008, by Corvo (whom I believe is actually Jay McKinnon) noting my apparent anonymity and use of a pseudonym (which, presumably, no one else does on the Internet), and the other, in June 2008, by a sarcastic Kossack (that's what they call themselves) who went "whoo-oo" in response to my announced use of GIMP.

The Daily Kos couldn't stop ragging on the tea parties and the "kooks" who participated in them. No mention of what happened to former Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo this past week when he visited UNC-CH to give a talk opposing in-state tuition benefits to illegal immigrants.

Hundreds of protesters converged on Bingham Hall, shouting profanities and accusations of racism while Tancredo and the student who introduced him tried to speak. Minutes into the speech, a protester pounded a window of the classroom until the glass shattered, prompting Tancredo to flee and campus police to shut down the event.

These are the typical liberal left scum who demand to be heard, yet refuse to let anyone with opposing ideas be heard.

[little jeremiah]

Very interesting. Why not post the whole thing on FR or elsewhere, or have you?

[little jeremiah]

BTTT for definitive comments on the HI “official” statements about O-Trauma’s supposed BC.

[Polarik]

Thanks, and here's a little additional fuel to add to the fire: I rechecked the report from the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands that addresses the documentation that Hawaiians would need to have to apply for the program:

In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

OK, I think we know that, but here's what's really important. This paragraph plainly states that a person's original birth certificate ("Certificate of Birth" -or- "Certificate of Live Birth") is absolutely obtainable by an individual provided that they indicate on the request that it is for "DHHL purposes."

When requesting a certified copy of your birth certificate from the Vital Records Section of DOH, let the clerk know you are requesting it "For DHHL Purposes," and that you need a copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth and not the computer-generated Certification. If mailing in your request form, please fill in "For DHHL Purposes" in the "Reason for Requesting a Certified Copy" section.... In the event the Vital Records Section does not have a birth certificate for any of your parents or grandparents, they will issue a "No-record" certification. "No-record" certification means after searching its records, the DOH cannot find the requested birth certificates.

OK, got that? Now, that explains what Fukino meant by saying that they had Obama's original birth certificate on record."If Hawaii did not have Obama's birth certificate in its records, then Fukino would have stated that, "We do not have Obama's original birth certificate on record."

Here's more from the DHHL document:

Secondary Documents

There are times when the birth certificates for yourself and/or your parents

or grandparents are not available and you have gotten "No-record" certifications

from DOH. The following are some of the secondary documents which may be

used. The list is in the preferred order of priority:

• Certified marriage certificates for your biological parents,
  
• grandparents, etc. (If these are not available, you will need a
  "No-record" certification from the Department of Health.)
  
• Certified death certificates for your biological parents,
  grandparents, etc. (If these are not available, you will need a
  "No-record" certification from the Department of Health.)
  
• Family history charts and documents such as marriage, divorce
  and death records from the State of Hawai`i Archives, state
  courts, public libraries or U.S. Census records**;
  
• Official baptismal records from your church or other church
  
• documents showing your race or the race of your ancestors;
  
• Official records from the files of military services, schools or hospitals.

 

**Notice that it said "marriage, divorce AND death records," (not OR) from State of Hawai`i Archives, state
courts, public libraries or U.S. Census records" (and NOT from the Internet).

Hmmm. Any wonder why these secondary records are not available for Obama either??

[little jeremiah]

Just asking for clarity - a person can ask for their original Certificate of Live Birth even if they don’t want it for DHHL purposes, right? (This is probably a “duh” question but I am sort of a “duh” person!)

So they have SOMETHING on record for him, which could be showing his birth in HI or elsewhere. Am I right?

And it is obvious from your other comment that they absolutely did NOT say that they personally viewed his origianl BC with their eyes nor did they even hint or insinuate where he was actually born.

[Polarik]

Just asking for clarity - a person can ask for their original Certificate of Live Birth even if they don’t want it for DHHL purposes, right? (This is probably a “duh” question but I am sort of a “duh” person!)

Well, yes, if you mean that the person doesn't actually want or need it for DHHL purposes. They just have to write that they do, and the "Door shall be open to them."

So they have SOMETHING on record for him, which could be showing his birth in HI or elsewhere. Am I right?

Well, yes, they said that they have "his original birth certificate" ON RECORD, amd I have no doubt that Fukino and Onaka KNOW exactly where Obama was born, and to whom, but they will not confirm what's on it because of its volatility, and the fact that its contents refute the contents of the phony COLB.

The only way for Hawaii to be Obama's place of birth would be if his birth record listed someone other than Obama Sr. as his father. Otherwise, there's no big woof in releasing it.

And it is obvious from your other comment that they absolutely did NOT say that they personally viewed his original BC with their eyes nor did they even hint or insinuate where he was actually born.

Yes, that is exactly what they avoided saying, but as I said above, I think they know that O would be in deep doodoo if his actual birth record were made public.

Check that, THEY (Onaka and Fukino) would be in deep doodoo if they even so much as breathed a word about its true contents. That is, unless they want a very early and hasty retirement.

[BonRad]

Go get ‘em, P!

[TheCipher]

In Hollyfield's original article on the COLB, circa June 13, 2008, she specifically quoted Obama's Muckraker Madam, Shaun Daly, as the one requesting his "birth certificate," -- which Hollyfield later admits that "only family members can get a copy" and that's the reason why they (Politifact) are only now receiving a copy.

Hollyfield is wrong.There is one other way a certificate can be obtained. A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant can request a copy. Now in this case, that is supposedly what was done - with Daly requesting the certificate. Now if that is true, then DOH must have on record, a letter signed by Obama authorizing her to act as his agent in requesting the certificate. If they don't, it is one more piece of evidence that the COLB is nothing but a fraud.

[TheCipher]

One additional thing to my above post. If Shaun Daly is the one that requested the certificate, she would have had to go to Hawaii in person with the authorization letter in order to obtain a copy. If it was requested via the Internet, then she committed wire fraud. When requesting a birth certificate from Hawaii via the Internet, you have to choose from a list your relationship to the registrant. The only options are those for family members and a state agency. By clicking "Proceed" she has to check a box that says in part :

I also certify that the information provided on the document is true and correct.

By claiming she is a family member and wasn't, she has committed wire fraud. Now, no member of the Obama team would ever be dishonest and do something such as committing wire fraud, would they ? (/sarc )

Thus it begs the question. Why go to all the trouble of writing a letter for authorization and flying out to Hawaii to obtain a copy ( or simply ask your sister or grandmother who are family members to obtain a copy ) when he himself could have requested a copy via the Internet in the same amount of time it would take him to sign a letter. The only explanation would be if you were requesting a Certificate of Live Birth and not the Certification of Live Birth ( COLB) The Certificate has to be requested in person. So then where is the Certificate ? The only thing that actually makes sense is that she never requested a copy of the COLB or of the vault copy either.

[little jeremiah]

Here’s the comment I mentioned.

[reasonisfaith]

But you are well aware of my sarcasm and so your comment reveals your insincerity, and your dishonesty.

[LucyT]

Thanks, Polarik.

Ping to Article. Informative comments, too:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2228564/posts?page=139#139

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2228564/posts?page=36#36

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2228564/posts?page=38#38

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2214150/posts?page=121#121

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2225649/posts?page=53#53

[katiekins1]

Thanks Lucy
Book marked for later. Nighty nite.

[Quix]

THANKS.

[azishot]

Thanks for the ping, LucyT.

Thanks for another great article, Polarik. How anyone can disagree with your work is beyond me.

[Polarik]

Here's the deal breaker: In her June 13, 3008 article in Politifact, Amy Hollyfield was recounting her conversation with Janice Okubo and noted that "Okubo said a copy of the birth certificate was requested in June 2008, but she wouldn't specify by whom."

Then, in her follow-up article on June 27, Hollyfield committed a huge gaffe by mentioning a reader's question about the date-stamp on the back and then creating a conundrum, when she pondered (in parentheses) the obvious contradiction of a "June 2007" date-stamp on a COLB that Okubo claims was requested in "June 2008": • Isn't the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document "June 2007?" (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)

Odd, indeed!

[Fred Nerks]

Directing you to Polarik’s valuable work in relation to this issue:

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

[bergmeid]

What I want to know is if Obama seeks reelection (that is if this country doesn’t get destroyed first), will we be faced with the same debacle on the birth certificate issue? Can he “legally” pull the same stunt again? Or will there be states (Oklahoma? Alabama?) that will now be legally prepared and start asking the right questions rather than assuming everything must be hunkydory??

[cyberella]

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http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

[SatinDoll]

The following excerpt refers to Obama’s Campaign organization and money:

“... interesting payments during the first three months of the year [2009], the period covered by Wednesday’s report, included $688,000 in legal fees to the firm of Bob Bauer — the top lawyer for the campaign...”

Note: this is just to one law office. (Original source was Politico).

Obama Campaign Still Funds Operations ($688K to atty, incl. eligibility lawsuits (01 to 03/09)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2232462/posts

Well, Eagle Forgotten, are you satisfied that lawyers are really working at covering up this President’s past? It is a truism, you know, that people with something to hide go to great lengths to do so. Those who don’t, well, they let it all hang out.