[jazusamo]

And that matters?

Gates needs to go!

[tobyhill]

Gates basically made that case as if it does matter. He almost excuses their behavior being they were teenagers and poor.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Is he related to the Gen Gates of the Revolutionary War ?
After the ( who took credit for the American victory at the Battle of Saratoga ) the battle of Saratoga, some in the Continental Congress ( the Conway Cabal ) wanted George Washington replaced and Gen Gates as CIC .....
But ? people forget ? Gen Gates capitulated in the battle of Camden and fled away from the battle field.

The Coway Cabal and aftermath

[Prophet in the wilderness]

US History :

Horatio Gates:

( Gates planned to follow up by invading Canada, but Washington blocked the expedition.
A hero after Saratoga, Gates became Washington's rival, but in 1778 was discredited on the spurious charge that he had plotted with the “Conway cabal” to elevate himself over Washington.
Assigned to command the Continentals in South Carolina in 1780, he undertook a rash offensive with ill‐prepared troops and was disastrously defeated at the Battle of Camden by Gen.
Charles Cornwallis.
In 1783, he was associated with, but took no active part in, the officers’ aborted Newburgh “conspiracy” to coerce Congress into giving them backpay.
A novel combination of professional and populist, Gates managed short‐term militia unusually well, and was a generally competent, if ultimately flawed, commander. )

[Just A Nobody]

Gates needs to go!

I second that motion! Actually, I felt that way the day he was named.