[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Thanks ccg. I think we were getting off the point arguing about what talk show hosts said.

President Bush expanded the federal budget by a historic $700 billion through 2008. President Obama would add another $1 trillion......

[sickoflibs]

I know I went down many logical paths, but WOSG is an typical example of Bush bots everywhere I run into, and elected republicans in general (not all) . They have a million excuses for why Bush ran deficits, if that doesn't sell they claimed democrats forced him, if that doesn't sell they claim they disagree with certain programs Bush passed to get re-elected (but celebrate the effect, the fact that it worked.)

None of this would bother me as much if it didn't all end in disaster.

[WOSG]

“Thanks ccg. I think we were getting off the point arguing about what talk show hosts said. “

But that’s EXACTLY were sickoflibs is going wrong. Nobody here is arguing that there wasnt overspending.I was disputing the false claim that conservatives agreed to it. I am trying to correct the record on who was responsible. In fact, conservatives were opposing Bush and big-spenders in Congress at the time on this issue.

My point: Big spending RINOs, Liberal Democrats and pork-barrellers from both parties are the ones largely responsible for excessive spending. The proof is in the pudding of the roll call votes and the positions taken. The Democrats throughout 2000-2008 up until today have played of game of extreme fiscal irresponsibility, to get credit for their pandering while putting blame on Bush for both not spending enough (!!) and for the deficits that result from overspending.

Here is the roll call vote on the Daschle Farm bill of 2002. One of many vote where Senators and Congresscritters had to take a stand on spending. The people to hold responsible are the people who voted “AYE” on votes like this... not talk radio show hosts who were lamenting the over-spending at the time.

And note - Bush failed to veto, but he wasnt the one stuffing the bills with pork. It was big-spending House and Senate leaders, many of them Democrats who are over-spending and running Congress today, who share the blame. The bulk of the AYE votes for the Daschle Farm bill below were Democrats, although it was a bipartisan pork-barrel for which both sides of aisle share blame.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00103

Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs -—64
Akaka (D-HI)
Allard (R-CO)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Breaux (D-LA)
Burns (R-MT)
Byrd (D-WV)
Campbell (R-CO)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Conrad (D-ND)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchinson (R-AR)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)
NAYs -—35
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Collins (R-ME)
Corzine (D-NJ)
DeWine (R-OH)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nickles (R-OK)
Reed (D-RI)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Smith (R-NH)
Specter (R-PA)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Not Voting - 1
Helms (R-NC)