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Citizens Held as Illegal Immigrants
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Posted on 04/12/2009 1:39:55 PM PDT by Chet 99

Pedro Guzman has been an American citizen all his life. Yet in 2007, the 31-year-old Los Angeles native — in jail for a misdemeanor, mentally ill and never able to read or write — signed a waiver agreeing to leave the country without a hearing and was deported to Mexico as an illegal immigrant.

For almost three months, Guzman slept in the streets, bathed in filthy rivers and ate out of trash cans while his mother scoured the city of Tijuana, its hospitals and morgues, clutching his photo in her hand. He was finally found trying to cross the border at Calexico, 100 miles away.

These days, back home in California, "He just changes from one second to another. His brain jumps back to when he was missing," said his brother, Michael Guzman. "We just talk to him and reassure him that everything is fine and nobody is going to hurt him."

In a drive to crack down on illegal immigrants, the United States has locked up or thrown out dozens, probably many more, of its own citizens over the past eight years. A monthslong AP investigation has documented 55 such cases, on the basis of interviews, lawsuits and documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. These citizens are detained for anything from a day to five years. Immigration lawyers say there are actually hundreds of such cases.

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KEYWORDS: aliens; deport; illegalaliens; letgodsortemout
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To: dragnet2

What’s racist or what borders on racism is blanket condemnation of all Hispanics, which I see from time to time here on FR.


41 posted on 04/12/2009 9:23:12 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: fr_freak

Okay, but what’s to be done? What if one of these people has kids or grandkids here, when does the illegitimacy of citizenship end? What if their offspring’s parentage includes bona fide citizens?

I don’t think solving the illegal immigration problem is going to be easy, and people calling for wholesale deportation of millions of people are asking for what is politically impossible due to special interests and so forth. Because they won’t bend, they will break, and the path-to-citizenship, votings rights, and welfare state crowd will simply get their way.


42 posted on 04/12/2009 9:27:28 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: LifeComesFirst
What’s racist or what borders on racism is blanket condemnation of all Hispanics, which I see from time to time here on FR.

That's odd. From my experience this site does not tolerate racist comments or remarks.

And my experience here is about 9 years longer than yours.

43 posted on 04/12/2009 9:35:52 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Tax-chick

No wonder BOR pegs freerepublic as a hate site.


44 posted on 04/12/2009 9:45:50 PM PDT by yazdankurd (fortis fortuna adiuvat)
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To: LifeComesFirst

The illegals are invited here by the docs, and lawyers, and upstanding businessmen who need them to babysit, and clean their homes, and pick their veggies. I see only outrage at them and no outrage at the Americans who hire them.


45 posted on 04/12/2009 9:48:16 PM PDT by yazdankurd (fortis fortuna adiuvat)
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To: dragnet2

Vote for Pedro


46 posted on 04/12/2009 9:49:03 PM PDT by yazdankurd (fortis fortuna adiuvat)
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To: yazdankurd
I see only outrage at them and no outrage at the Americans who hire them.

That's odd. I've seen tens of thousands of posts from people doing exactly that, including myself. Of course my experience here extends about 8 years longer than yours.

47 posted on 04/12/2009 9:54:24 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

evidently your experience falls on deaf ears.


48 posted on 04/12/2009 10:01:55 PM PDT by yazdankurd (fortis fortuna adiuvat)
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To: dragnet2

My problem with your response is that you accept failure. Accepting that a “few legitimate people” getting thrown out of the country is problematic.

When we start justifying innocents being punished in order to get the collective, we turn towards fascism.

How many is a “few”? What if those “few” just happen to all vote Republican? What if those “few” all happen to support someone we want in office, like Duncan Hunter? You forget who is in charge of these government organizations now. Do you really trust the government?


49 posted on 04/12/2009 10:05:04 PM PDT by returnofthemack
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To: yazdankurd
I see only outrage at them and no outrage at the Americans who hire them.

That's odd. I've seen tens of thousands of posts from people doing exactly that, including myself. Of course my experience here extends about 8 years longer than yours.

evidently your experience falls on deaf ears.

We'll, my experience goes beyond just talking and making frivolous statements, like you are now.

50 posted on 04/12/2009 10:06:33 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: returnofthemack
My problem with your response is that you accept failure. Accepting that a “few legitimate people” getting thrown out of the country is problematic. When we start justifying innocents being punished in order to get the collective, we turn towards fascism.

Look, if you've got *millions* entering illegally, with the government in chaos, that can't even balance a simple budget, or control it's own stinking borders, what makes you think our system of deporting some of these millions is going to run smoothly, and no innocents are going to get caught up in this monstrous mess?

Just like there are a few people in the joint, that are totally innocent. It's sucks bad, but it's bound to occur because nothing is perfect.

51 posted on 04/12/2009 10:12:29 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: LifeComesFirst
Because they won’t bend, they will break, and the path-to-citizenship, votings rights, and welfare state crowd will simply get their way.

Well, I suppose we ought to just roll over and die then. Thanks for the suggestion.
52 posted on 04/12/2009 10:14:25 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: returnofthemack
You forget who is in charge of these government organizations now. Do you really trust the government?

LOL!

I didn't forget it's the same people and government insiders controlling this puppet in chief, as the last puppet in chief.

Do I trust government?

What a knee slapper!

Did you just stumble in here?

53 posted on 04/12/2009 10:16:47 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: returnofthemack; KevinDavis

I understand that. However, the point of the article is that we should not be deporting anybody.


54 posted on 04/13/2009 6:09:23 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Chet 99; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

Sob Story...Ping!


55 posted on 04/13/2009 12:10:01 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: Tax-chick

Oh yes you can. This man should have been adjudicated incompetent.


56 posted on 04/13/2009 12:18:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: KC_Conspirator

There should be substantial damages awarded to a citizen who has this happen. Especially if said citizen was an incompetent.


57 posted on 04/13/2009 12:19:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Maybe his family tried.


58 posted on 04/13/2009 1:35:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." ~Sam Brown)
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To: Chet 99

How many are court manufactured ersatz citizens having been anchor babies?


59 posted on 04/13/2009 7:20:47 PM PDT by rmlew ( The SAVE and GIVE acts are institutioning Corvee. Where's the outtrage!)
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To: rmlew

Ummmm, it doesn’t seem like it takes a tortured reading of the 14th amendment to get to anchor babies. Clearly the law enacted by amendment to the constitution allows for it. It isn’t a penumbra.


60 posted on 04/13/2009 7:40:49 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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