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To: JohnBovenmyer
fentanyl

Use BZ instead. Unfortunately it is likely that the effects must be instantaneous so lead is the only option. Sink the boat and put them all in the water.

61 posted on 04/11/2009 10:18:59 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone
Likely the results must be nearly instantaneous. In a prolonged standoff like this its unlikely there will literally be a finger on the trigger, safety off, pointed at him 24-7. Fatigue will be a factor. If you can get surprise you may have a couple seconds. IIRC there weren't many hostages shot by terrorists in Moscow after the fentanyl, but there were more cases of respiratory arrest than they could handle at once. The Russians must have done a thorough analysis of their actions which should help determine whether such tactics are feasible here. If the pirates are all sealed inside the lifeboat then they have limited situational awareness making surprise easier to obtain. Another thing that crosses my mind is the IR devices cops use to see into drug houses before raids. I wonder if they could 'see' the 5 inside and somehow deduce who was the prisoner. If so, I wonder if the accuracy shooting through the lifeboat would be sufficient for an assault. I would hope that the generalities of such hostage circumstances had been gamed out by SEALs, etc. a long time ago and that the specifics of this had been promptly looked at by those in the know. If, as is likely, there is no 'good' option they should at least be able to advise on the best timing and circumstances for "not so good options" and have the ships OR and transportation ready for fast action.

The problem with the big picture is all the media nonsense over "saving every hostage." They never say that they are talking about saving every current hostage, but are completely discounting the value of the future hostages the pirates will take if not stopped. There is no family or media outlet whining about those not yet taken, but they will certainly greatly outnumber the current crop if the status quo is allowed to remain or likely grow through inaction. The world needs some statesman to stand up and say we will not sacrifice the many, in the future, for the few, in the present. Pay their ransom demands in ordinance specially delivered to those they care about. They don't worry about threatening our killing our men, women and children. We should care no more about theirs. And we should declare any lawyers, courts and special interest groups that act in their defense are also hostis humani generis and treat them accordingly. It's the only solution to this common problem that has ever worked. But since the sensibilities of our Dour Leader don't allow for such common sense as my fallback liberal position we should pre-position trained pirate negotiating teams of AmeriCorps volunteers on all ships transitioning the area. At least their side would be at risk instead of hogtied conservatives in the military.

66 posted on 04/11/2009 12:20:24 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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