[Snurple]

Joe shut him up for awhile if memory serve me. He broke Clays jaw (they wired it shut) and had him eating pudding for about a month.

[Ticonderoga34]

Joe shut him up for awhile if memory serve me. He broke Clays jaw (they wired it shut) and had him eating pudding for about a month.

I don't want to be anal but that was Ken Norton who broke Clay's jaw. But Frazier beat the crap out of Clay at their first and third fight. Clay was never the same fighter after the Manila fight.

Another interesting fact is that Clay was suppose to be the champion of the black race while Frazier was suppose to be "the Uncle Tom" yet Clay had white men in his corner, like Angelo Dundee while Frazier had black men in his corner.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Joe shut him up for awhile if memory serve me. He broke Clays jaw (they wired it shut) and had him eating pudding for about a month.****

Isn’t that the punch that also permanently scrambled Ali’s brains?

[haroldeveryman]

That was Ken Norton that broke Ali’s jaw. Ali had some trouble with fighters with good speed who were good in close (Frazier, Norton, Bonavena) and deny him punching room. But Foreman was a big strong counter puncher and ate fighters like that alive (He Ko’d Frazier and Norton in 2 and Frazier again in 5.

But Foreman was easy for Clay. He was way too slow to stay with him and always had poor endurance.