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Conservatives, WH Spar Over Saudi "Bow"
CBS News ^ | April 9, 2009 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 04/09/2009 10:12:31 AM PDT by Plutarch

Did President Obama bow to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia at last week's G-20 meeting?

Conservatives say yes – and some aren't happy about it. The White House, meanwhile, says the president did nothing of the kind.

Ben Smith has the story. As he notes, the president met Abdullah last week in London and appeared to bow to the Saudi leader, prompting outrage from some conservative quarters.

"The President of the United States executed a bow to a monarch so deep that he literally had to take a step back to balance himself," wrote Hot Air.

"No American President should ever make such an obsequious display to any monarch — ever," added the blogger.
(Memeorandum has links to much more reaction here.)

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bowgate; kowtow; obama; obamabow
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

BUMP


61 posted on 04/09/2009 11:24:56 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Plutarch

I have read some comments that Obama got the king into trouble w/ the rest of the moslem world because he bowed from the waist, a motion reserved only for allah.

As such, the king is being accused in the moslem world of thinking he is greater than allah thanks to Obama’s bow that isn’t a bow.


62 posted on 04/09/2009 11:27:49 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: NRA2BFree

He’s clearly bowing. That’s obvious.

He’s not “clearly” kissing a ring. That’s conjecture. The evidence doesn’t show, one way or the other, what his lips are doing.

No matter what, it’s a clear sign of obeisance.


63 posted on 04/09/2009 11:35:00 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Tu ne cede malis.)
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To: Plutarch

Did CBS bother to watch the video? What do THEY say, after having watched it? What are the FACTS, if that concept is still operative in MSM circles?

And, by the way, will they report it on the evening news, or just on an obscure blog where they refrain from any analysis of their own?


64 posted on 04/09/2009 11:36:59 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

He bent his knee, that is a genuflection. A sign of allegiance.


65 posted on 04/09/2009 11:39:51 AM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: dead

Bishop Ratzinger writes “In the Hebrew of the Old Testament, the verb barak, ‘to kneel’, is cognate with the word berek, ‘knee’. The Hebrews regarded the knees as a symbol of strength, to bend the knee is, therefore, to bend our strength before the living God, an acknowledgment of the fact that all that we are we receive from Him.”

0 bent his knee before the king, a clear sign of submission. This was not merely an act of respect. It was a personal surrender of authority to a superior, in fact, the one who has mentored and sponsored him throughout his career.


66 posted on 04/09/2009 11:39:54 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (0 is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: Plutarch
"...appeared to bow to the Saudi leader..."

Appeared? Appeared???

No, CBS, that is the fact that your lying eyes apparently can't report.

What it really appeared like was more like BUTT-KISSING.

67 posted on 04/09/2009 11:48:28 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross

CBS is planning on reporting the FACTS, but they’re waiting for a FAX to come in from a Kinko’s in Killeen, Texas that will clear this whole thing up.


68 posted on 04/09/2009 11:52:43 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Tu ne cede malis.)
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To: Deb
For some reason the media is keeping this alive.

No, they are just now getting around to covering it for the first time. Like so many other stories that the MSM would rather ignore, we have read about this on FR and other conservative blogs for days and weeks before it breaks out in the MSM, so it is old news to us.

But, remember, the shrinking group of people who get their news from the major media are hearing it for the first time.

69 posted on 04/09/2009 11:52:47 AM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: Plutarch
The White House, meanwhile, says the president did nothing of the kind

The White House is currently occupied by a bunch of lying, scumbag Marxists.

And if the idiot that wrote this piece for CBS News, Brian Montopoli, just watched the video, he would understand that Obama groveled in front of the king.


70 posted on 04/09/2009 11:55:28 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: pacpam
No matter what you call it, it's not a good sign.

Main Entry: obei·sance Pronunciation: \ō-ˈbē-sən(t)s, ə-, -ˈbā-\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English obeisaunce obedience, obeisance, from Anglo-French obeisance, from obeissant, present participle of obeir to obey Date: 14th century 1 : a movement of the body made in token of respect or submission : bow 2 : acknowledgment of another's superiority or importance : homage

Main Entry: al·le·giance Pronunciation: \ə-ˈlē-jən(t)s\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English aligeaunce, from Anglo-French allegeance, alteration of ligeance, from lige liege Date: 14th century 1 a: the obligation of a feudal vassal to his liege lord b (1): the fidelity owed by a subject or citizen to a sovereign or government (2): the obligation of an alien to the government under which the alien resides 2: devotion or loyalty to a person, group, or cause

Main Entry: gen·u·flect Pronunciation: \ˈjen-yə-ˌflekt\ Function: intransitive verb Etymology: Late Latin genuflectere, from Latin genu knee + flectere to bend — more at knee Date: 1630 1 a: to bend the knee b: to touch the knee to the floor or ground especially in worship 2: to be servilely obedient or respectful

71 posted on 04/09/2009 11:56:38 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Tu ne cede malis.)
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To: Plutarch

Why they think they can lie about it and peopl will believe thm is beyond me. Obama has made it worse by insisting it wasn’t a bow when the video combined with the still shots clearly show he was bowing.


72 posted on 04/09/2009 12:52:09 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: BallyBill

Dick Morris said it was because of some agreement he made with the G20 to allow them to oversee our banking system and gave up a lot of our sovernty over ourselves.


73 posted on 04/09/2009 12:55:23 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: AnAmericanMother
In arab culture, handholding is something that occurs between equals.

That is interesting. I have spent a considerable amount of time in the Kingdom as well as other Arab States and never walk around hand in hand with my associates. Moreover, when my Arab associates come to the United States, I do not walk around holding their hand.

74 posted on 04/09/2009 1:05:07 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
You're not an arab, and neither am I. And neither is Pres. Bush. If you look at the photo, his thumb is in an awkward position, as though the Saudi had grabbed his hand.

The handholding occurs between friends as a general rule. Turks hold hands also.

The point is, it is NOT a gesture of subservience, which the salaam most definitely is.

75 posted on 04/09/2009 1:08:01 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: BallyBill

Potential post of the day, yours.


76 posted on 04/09/2009 1:10:17 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: AnAmericanMother

Perhaps you have spent more time in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain, the UAE and Dubai than I have. And while there are some of their customs that I follow while I am there, we do not hold hands.

Moreover, the picture in question was taken in Texas, not Saudi Arabia.


77 posted on 04/09/2009 1:13:04 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Plutarch

Note to CBS: Watch the video, he bows!

CBS could watch a video of Slick and Monica in action and claim that maybe she was checking him for ticks.


78 posted on 04/09/2009 1:17:06 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: NRA2BFree

"I, uh, am not BOWING to His Highness, King Abdullah the Glorious and Merciful Ruler of the Holy Sites of Islaam, here in this image. Uh, I had noticed that President Sarkozy had, uh, his fly open, and I, uh, wanted to help him adjust it before the um, group photo. This is, uh, quite the right wing distraction, filled with the typical paranoia and fear caused by people like Rush Limbaugh."

79 posted on 04/09/2009 1:17:15 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: trumandogz
Which entirely misses the point.

Holding hands is not a sign of subservience (though Americans think it's creepy). Never been to the Middle East, but I read extensively and I am sure that I have read in multiple places that holding hands in Middle Eastern countries is a sign of friendship (not homosexuality).

The POINT is that a bow or salaam from an American president demonstrates a SERIOUS problem.

We've come a long way from the days of John E. Ward.

80 posted on 04/09/2009 1:22:13 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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