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To: mbraynard
Changing the laws are a means to eliminating illegal immigration.

By making them legal. LOL You are a real hoot!

As Pat Buchanan has said, simple border enforcement isn't enough and even interior enforcement isn't enough either. Buchanan is right in saying that you will effectively stop enforcement by reforming the laws in a way that turns off the 'magnet' that attracts illegals. Specifically, eliminating the benefits that illegals are entitled to per the law (requiring a change in the law) and steeper fines/penalties for those who hire illegals (requiring a change in the law).

I really don't care what Pat Buchanan said. But if you have a link to his words, I would be happy to comment. Forgive me if I don't accept your interpretation -- I prefer primary sources. But really, can you not speak for yourself?

I think you are doing too many mental gymnastics to try and prove me wrong when the truth is you agree with me (and with the plan Mitt approved.)

I think that you have a real LISTENING problem. I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU. Please! Instead of telling me what Tancredo thinks or Buchanan thinks or anybody else thinks, address what I wrote! This is really tiresome!

The laws on the books are a confusing and contradictory mess.

Which ones, specifically? What provisions/words in those laws are are contradictory?

The magnets (points 2 and 4) need to be changed. That required a 'law.'

As to #2, can you cite any "immigration reform" bill that included a provision to clarify the intent of the 14th Amendment thereby eliminating anchor babies? Please cite the bill number.

And to call changes to immigration quotas a small issues is flat wrong.

Perhaps you did not read my words as I did NOT say it was a small issue. I said no LAWS were required to change quotas.

The current policy was set in the 1960s and was a huge 'reform' passed under President Johnson and was advocated on the floor of the US Senate by Edward Kennedy. That law needs to be 'reformed.'

Why? Chain migration is not the problem (unless you give citizenship to 20 million illegals). Chain migration or "Family Reunification" as it was enacted, allowing citizens to sponsor other immigrants from their family to come to the U.S. is not bad policy. If we have good, law abiding, hardworking LEGAL immigrants in this country, why shouldn't we want a member of their family to take up one of those quota spots? Family is a good thing.

If you aren't conversant in the plans offered by presidential candidates a year ago, are you sure you have enough of a grasp of laws that stretch back generations to make authoritative statements about what needs reform and what doesn't?

You really are an insulting little cuss, aren't you? I think my posts speak for themselves.

150 posted on 04/09/2009 1:29:27 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
Which ones, specifically? What provisions/words in those laws are are contradictory?

Well, for example, the laws requiring employers to check eligibility. Right now, all they have to do is look at a social security card. They don't have to follow up and verify that the card is valid. In fact, if they suspect an employee is illegal and they start scrutinizing him, they can be sued for discrimination.

To get proper employer verification, we need legislation. To require verification, we need legislation. To increase the penalties for hiring illegals, we need legislation. To protect an employer who is scrutinizing a suspected illegal worker from discrimination suits, we need legislation. Etc., etc., etc.

You are a real As to #2, can you cite any "immigration reform" bill that included a provision to clarify the intent of the 14th Amendment thereby eliminating anchor babies? Please cite the bill number.

H.R. 1940

Perhaps you did not read my words as I did NOT say it was a small issue. I said no LAWS were required to change quotas.

Yes they are.

Why? Chain migration is not the problem

Yes it is. California went from a solidly Republican state to democrat because of chain migration, a lot of which was spurred by the 1986 amnesty. The vast majority of legal immigrants coming in because of chain migration are low income and therefore very likely to be future democrats.

Chain migration or "Family Reunification" as it was enacted, allowing citizens to sponsor other immigrants from their family to come to the U.S. is not bad policy.

It's horrible policy.

If we have good, law abiding, hardworking LEGAL immigrants in this country, why shouldn't we want a member of their family to take up one of those quota spots?

Just because they are family doesn't mean they too are going to be hard working. Lots of people sponsor their elderly parents, who then promptly go on social security without having paid in anything. Or they sponsor their cousins or adult children who are often undereducated and likely to go on the dole.

170 posted on 04/09/2009 5:30:00 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: calcowgirl
Chain migration = newborn to illegals born here. Everyone else who is illegal here becomes legal. More illegals come here.

You really ought to spend some time on FAIR's website getting a handle on this. You make us look bad.

Every real conservative in the US Congress has proposed reforms to try to end the nightmare of illegal immigration.

"Changing the laws are a means to eliminating illegal immigration."

By making them legal. LOL You are a real hoot!

Oh yeah, that's totally what I mean. Oh clearly so. You are so brilliant. Are you in Mensa with Joe Biden?

180 posted on 04/09/2009 8:38:10 PM PDT by mbraynard (You are the Republican Party. See you at the precinct meeting.)
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To: calcowgirl
You really are an insulting little cuss, aren't you?

LOL

206 posted on 04/10/2009 5:03:11 PM PDT by Syncro (Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat)
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