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To: Vanders9
The problem with being a gun-owning society is that everyone has guns, saints and sinners alike.

Yes, but now Great Britain has solved that problem. Now that guns are illegal, only the bad guys have guns...

Oh, yeah, and some of the cops, some of the time, if they get there in time. My point was that it's a free citizens right to defend themselves, and to that end the government has no reason to infringe on the citizens rights.Due to Texas'gun laws the bad guys are aware that their intended victims run a better than average chance of being armed. Now this doesn't mean all crime is lower, but knowing that your victim is armed can even give a criminal reason to be circumspect. Thus crime is lower. In Cheltenham, the criminal knows his victim is unarmed, as it is illegal to carry a firearm (and sometimes even knives!). The criminal, heedless of such niceties as "the law" is free to excersize his predatory urges with reckless abandon. The fact is that since the laws were enacted in the late 1990's in England crime is through the roof. I don't disagree that living in a gun culture can be a two edged sword. But given all that , i'd rather live in a society where the "sinners" are aware the "saints" occasionally shoot back.

Freegards,

CC

34 posted on 04/13/2009 5:29:43 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Calling illegal aliens "undocumented workers" is like calling drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists")
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To: Celtic Conservative

“Yes, but now Great Britain has solved that problem. Now that guns are illegal, only the bad guys have guns...”

Makes crime easier to solve though. The person with the gun is the bad guy!

I dont know where you get that these laws were enacted in the late 1990’s. There has always been a strong aversion to firearms in the UK, for as long as I can remember. Yes violent crime is unfortunatly on the increase, but that increase is largely limited to certain areas and it is almost all of it drug related. (In fact, according to serving police officers I know, 90%+ or all crime is drug related, assuming alcohol is a drug)

The gun lobby is fond of pointing out that “guns dont commit crimes, people do”. That is 100% true, but the argument cuts both ways. Surely, as that is true, then the incidence of gun crime in any society is dependent not on the availability of firearms but on the willingness of people to pull triggers. In other words, the increase in violent crime in the UK is not based on the imposition of draconian gun control, but on the fact that we have stupidly imported a slew of very violent people into the country and inculcated a selfish immoral society that no longer sees the sanctity of Human life as a block to individual gain.


35 posted on 04/14/2009 1:10:42 AM PDT by Vanders9
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