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To: neverdem; JLS; VeniVidiVici; dr_lew; BunnySlippers; valkyry1; Tolsti2; wku man; WildcatClan; ...
WTF do we spend all this money on SWAT teams? For the homo-erotic haircuts and the fancy toys?
Then they sit outside while people get slaughtered.

Thanks SWAT. You guys are real heroes.

46 posted on 04/04/2009 6:34:09 AM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: starlifter
WTF do we spend all this money on SWAT teams?

Standard operating procedures for most departments is to assemble the entire SWAT team at a safe location before attempting entry.

SWAT teams treat “active shooters”, i.e. guys who go someplace just to kill a lot of people, the same way they treat a barricaded suspect with hostages. The problem is, “active shooters” don’t wait. They don’t want to negotiate. They just want to kill.

Studies have shown that in the vast majority of cases “active shooters” commit suicide as soon as they are confronted with armed force, even if it’s only a single officer - assuming they haven’t finished what they came to do and killed themselves before the first officers arrive on the scene. If the first cop on the scene in this case had gone in there’s a chance he might have saved some lives.

The sad and ironic corollary is the recent case in Oakland, CA where SWAT went in on a barricaded suspect, who was not an “active shooter” but was better armed than they thought, without making an adequate effort to negotiate or wear the guy down. Two good men got killed.

Police forces need to treat “barricaded suspects” and “active shooters” differently. Unfortunately this places the terrible burden of assessment on the first officers responding to a very chaotic and dangerous situation. Mistakes will be made and innocent people will die because of those mistakes.

As long as there are places where sick bastards know they can go and find people who are forbidden by law from defending themselves this sort of thing is going to continue to happen.

51 posted on 04/04/2009 7:27:14 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: starlifter

The change in police attitudes started about 20 years ago and went from to “Protect and Serve” to “I dont care how many people or dogs have to die, I’m going home without a scratch”.


52 posted on 04/04/2009 7:30:43 AM PDT by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: starlifter
Thanks SWAT. You guys are real heroes.

They kick some *ss in the movies, though...

55 posted on 04/04/2009 7:39:29 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: starlifter

The msm calling a receptionist who played dead and called 911........a hero.

FGS, simply a diversion from the fact that the SWAT team waited three hours, no doubt allowing people to die of their injuries.


59 posted on 04/04/2009 7:56:53 AM PDT by Carley (President Obama Dropped a MOAB on America)
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To: starlifter

“WTF do we spend all this money on SWAT teams?”

SWAT teams are for kicking in old ladies door in the middle of the night to confiscate 1/2 oz. bags of pot, or if they can’t find it, then to plant said 1/2 oz. bag of pot and then “discover” it. THAT is THEIR job.

Now, if you want someone to come in and rescue you from mortal danger, you need an armed citizen or the military.


67 posted on 04/04/2009 9:51:16 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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SWAT teams are pulled from all over the department. They are not just SWAT guys. The idea is to keep better-trained cops out among the working shift, so that if something goes 'boink', a single cop,or a few...with his/their shooting skills, physical endurance, and tactical thinking, in-place and sharp...will be among the first to get to a clusterf*** like Binghamton NY.

Rotation in the squad is regular. In a department of, say 300, it would not be uncommon to have several dozen cops working detective, street, whatever, ...on any given shift...who are active or former members of the team.

Bank hostage situations....apprehension of real bad dudes on warrant....stuff like that....time to set up and execute...there's that stuff to do. The team in my department is run by a sergeant....who is a MASTER SERGEANT in the Army Reserve....wounded Viet vet, duty in Iraq in '91....and most recently was busting doors in Fallujah bagging insurgents...during the thick of the conflict...at age 54....getting shot at with bullets and grenades. Nicest, smartest guy you'd care to meet; a professional soldier; a patriot conservative; the best cop I've ever seen at work. He affects all the guys he trains in good ways.

So there's more to SWAT than portrayed on TV. It helps keep a department on top of training.....not wasting time trying to train guys who aren't interested...just the motivated volunteers. And if you're lucky enough to have a great leader like my department had, you know who's running the show when it hits the fan, and you have confidence, absolutely, to follow him to hell if he needs you to. I would. Maybe that's where this department fell flat on its face , and was derelict in its duty....a lousy leader?

70 posted on 04/04/2009 10:46:30 AM PDT by dasboot
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