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To: Logophile; colorcountry; P-Marlowe; SENTINEL; reaganaut; Utah Binger; Colofornian; Godzilla; ...
While I don't agree with all your points, Logophile, your post is the best I have seen from a mormon.

Instead of calling for censorship on FR, you say this: "Let them say what they will, unimpeded. As I said before, the our opponents keep us on our toes while presenting us the opportunity to declare our message. In my experience, they do far less harm to the Church than thin-skinned Mormons do."

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If mormons are so convinced of the truth of their beliefs, they should welcome the chance to see them in black and white and available for ALL to see. If this article is accurate enough to be posted in Ensign Magazine for informing the general membership of the mormon community, then it is accurate enough for the FR viewers.

I really don't understand why more mormons don't take advantage of the official site, LDS.org, or go to the Meridian Magazine site and just READ the articles that are posted there instead of trying to have the posting of them on FR shut down.

As you say, "One lone Mormon defender should be able to deal with 50 or more, because he has the truth on his side.".....

More and more, instead of mormon defense of the faith here we are seeing whining, accusations and complaining about the FORM of our comments instead of prideful defense against the CONTENT of them, and the posting of doctrine in closed threads where debate is forbidden.

I do have one question. Several of us here were members back in the days when there was pride among the mormon community that we were "different" from those Christians, when there was still an accord within the general community with the disdain of the early mormon leaders towards Christianity. This has all changed.

My question is, if it is so important now to be seen as Christian, why was there not a revelation (or even a manifesto) from the Prophet in SLC to that effect? I would think that something as huge as the very reason for the founding of the LDS church being cast aside should come directly from the lips of the Prophet as a command from God. That it hasn't is, IMO an indication that perhaps the LDS church doesn't intend to become Christian, but to bring the Christian under the LDS law of consecration:

You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion."

921 posted on 03/30/2009 7:10:22 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Recession-Your neighbor loses his job, Depression-you lost your job, Recovery-Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: greyfoxx39; Logophile

I have found logophile to be one of the most rational of the Mormon posters.

I have always been able to converse politely with him about the differences I have found between Mormonism and Christianity. It is refreshing.


923 posted on 03/30/2009 7:13:39 AM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: greyfoxx39

My question is, if it is so important now to be seen as Christian, why was there not a revelation (or even a manifesto) from the Prophet in SLC to that effect? I would think that something as huge as the very reason for the founding of the LDS church being cast aside should come directly from the lips of the Prophet as a command from God. That it hasn’t is, IMO an indication that perhaps the LDS church doesn’t intend to become Christian, but to bring the Christian under the LDS law of consecration:

You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.”


Excellent question!


1,668 posted on 03/30/2009 7:15:04 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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