Posted on 03/25/2009 7:11:39 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - An "insatiable" appetite in the United States for illegal drugs is to blame for much of the violence ripping through Mexico, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Wednesday.
Clinton acknowledged the U.S. role in Mexico's vicious drug war as she arrived in Mexico for a two-day visit where she discussed U.S. plans to ramp up security on the border with President Felipe Calderon.
A surge in drug gang killings to 6,300 last year and fears the violence could seep over the border has put Mexico's drug war high on President Barack Obama's agenda, after years of Mexico feeling that Washington was neglecting a joint problem.
"Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade. Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the death of police officers, soldiers and civilians," Clinton told reporters during her flight to Mexico City.
"I feel very strongly we have a co-responsibility."
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Problem is, Mexico is NOT a poor country. Even without drug revenues, they top $1 TRillion annual GDP, and are over $10,000 per capita GDP, which is above the global average. We keep excusing them and pretending they're a "poor" nation, but the numbers say otherwise. They're quite well-supplied with oil and mineral and metal deposits.
Here's what I think The gubmint should do. Buy a couple more tents for Sheriff Arpaio and just let him store them in the desert as far as the eye can see. Let them work building the border fence about 12 hours a day for about 6 months and see if they want that blunt when they get out. If they do, we can always use some people cleaning American highways for a year or so. If you are a coke head or a heroin user, or for that matter almost any other illicit drug users, we could give you a cot and a stick to bite on for a few days, then you go out to the highway detail for maybe a year.
This would be cheaper than the billions we give each year to coddle these scum that kill and maim people every year just to scum up the American dream for everyone else. If I ever see anyone light up in front of me or my family, it will go dark for them very quickly. I will take them out and pay the assault fine just for the temporary pleasure of experiencing my "free speech" rights. The reason the "war" is being lost is because we haven't fought it. Just as we did in Viet Nam, we have disarmed our troops and accepted defeat. I say we "nuke" the bastids.
I've seen the damage drugs can do to a family, and it has nothing to do with illegal or legal, or even the amount of money. I have no use for the dealers and would make it a capital offense if they are dealers. If they are a user, I bet I could "cure" them in a short period. If they aren't "curable", well, they are dead already.
“My brother has a nose like a shovel”—Roger Clinton, allegedly.
Speak for yourself and your own family, Hillary.
Did Moonskank Rodham acknowledge her and Bubba's small piece of culpability in the illegal drug trade going on in this country? I'm pretty sure we can trace the roots of illicit campus marijuana trade to Mexico back in the late 60's. You know Slick had to be sucking up all the Acapulco bush weed at Yale just to stomach his romps in the sleeping bag with Cankles and her friend Janet Reno.
Legalization of other drugs is not feasible. Drugs like crack and meth are so dangerous that even one usage can ruin individuals. Those drugs are the devil incarnated.
Mexican drug violence is largely Mexicos' problem. Blaming us is ridiculous. SHE is just another leftist apologist and America hater.
hILLERY IS Right.
It is our fault that Mexico Stinks.
We need to stop what we have been doing .....because what we have been doing has obviously hurt Mejico.
Sooooo, ...... We should return all 10 million illegals back to Mexico.
no more accepting Mexicans illegals into America. It hurts mexico tooo much. Goooo Hillery
Just two or three points.
We already are a police state. When major LEO’s "Information Analysis Centers" (golly that sound official) are issuing reports declaring American Citizens that support a constitutional political candidate are “domestic terrorists” when having a Gadsden flag sticker makes you a domestic terrorist, when declaring support to the Constitution of the United States of America make you a domestic terrorists, and that very report is not only supported, it is distributed to PD’s in almost all 50 (or 57… plus one more… and maybe Alaska and Hawaii) and presented to the LEO’s of hundreds of P.D.’s as factual, then we are in a police state right now.
Since the cop industry is so huge now you can not pull the plug on a large percentage of it’s business. Strangely enough I believe you would hear arguments quite similar to the various justifications for bailout money. Too big to fail (and cause job loss) comes to mind.
Legalization probably would not be all that universal thus only shrinking the market, not eliminating it. Example… Marijuana – legal, heroin – not legal. Cocaine – legal, Methamphetamine – not legal. So on and so on. The total market for the high profit drugs that are left illegal begins to shrink significantly. What happens to the folks in the production and smuggling business when the total pie shrinks? They fight even harder for what is left. So, unless the fed-gov and all the states are willing to “go all the way” the problem gets more vicious, not less.
The (I assume) significant percentage of money going to Mexican government bureaucrats has become a steady flow and they have become accustomed to it. There are undoubtedly deep ties to government bureaucrats on this side that will lobby to NOT have drugs legalized. This will stem not from a sense of moral outrage at the drug use itself but from only an agenda of greed for secret payoffs.
Combine all this with the issue of the criminal illegal aliens, the communization of our government, the willful destruction of our economy and the free markets system, the arming of real American Citizens at such a pace as to even make ME take notice and one wonders if all this really is coasting down the road to revolution of some sort.
Oops, did I say that out loud? Must be one of those pesky domestic terrorists.
I'm not buying it. It's too much like the excuse that crime in Washington DC is due to guns being smuggled from Virginia. If it was true, then crime would be even worse here than in Mexico, just like it would be worse in Virginia than in DC.
I'd bet that the real source of these weapons isn't the US but a corrupt Mexican police force and military.
You are trying to use rational thoughts to solve an emotional-political issue. It doesn’t matter that grenades and RPGs and machine guns cannot be sourced from America. The Fuhrer has decided that they can. So you must pay the price, Citizen. Your gun-lust has caused all of the problems in Mexico. Their problems have nothing to do with the elite, ineffective Mexican government and the incredible poverty of the forgotten masses. Their problems have nothing to do with the violent drug animals. Their problems all result from your freedom to own a gun.
Ping!
The 21st was specific to a single drug. Alcohol.
Dang right I would have pulled the plug on it’s prohibition.
The logic can flow to other “drugs” One issue / one drug / one election to decide one law.
I really do not see any other way to take a stab at significant legalization without the other issues I described going immediately out of control.
She’s a wretch that makes ne want to vomit. What an ignorant thing for her to say.
It doesn’t make me mad. I was originally going to discuss the $$ and greed amongst the drug lords, their barbaric ways, and the corruption. If their govt had something like law and order, this wouldn’t happen in the first place. I’m sure she’s too afraid of offending mexico for saying such a thing...not sure what the fear is though.
Enlightening thread!!
I dunno....I saw Alberto Gonzales state that 95% of the weapons being used by the cartels ARE coming from the USA...it must be true. /s
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