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Clinton Admits U.S. Demand Feeds Mexico’s Drug Trade
NYT ^ | March 25, 2009 | MARK LANDLER

Posted on 03/25/2009 1:29:37 PM PDT by yoe

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To: Ken H
“As I recall, you conveniently disbelieved any government(al) figures regarding drug use. Figures which just happen(d)ed to refute your unsup(p)orted assertions.”

Spell check is your friend. LOL. Of course I did! And as I recall, I was quite clear as to why. Now, I must move on, to go through this again is a waste of my time.

61 posted on 03/25/2009 3:07:17 PM PDT by Melinda
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To: yoe
And another illustration of just how ill informed our reporters are...
...the so-called war on drugs that was first declared by President Richard Nixon.
I guess it's just a "blame Republicans" thing.
Marijuana: What's a Parent to Believe? Page 212

The US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)
Prior to the creation of the DEA, drug enforcement rested in the hands of two federal offices. The Bureau of Narcotics in the Treasury Department was responsible for the control of marijuana and narcotics, such as heroin. The Bureau of Drug Abuse Control (BDAC) in the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare was responsible for the control of “dangerous” drugs, including depressants, stimulants and hallucinogens, such as LSD. By 1968, America’s counterculture movement was in full swing and the use of illegal drugs for recreational purposes was steadily rising. Alarmed by the increasing acceptance of drug use, President Lyndon Johnson introduced legislation that combined the Bureau of Narcotics and the BDAC into one new agency: the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (BNDD), located in the Department of Justice.

Lyndon B. Johnson (January 17, 1968) State of the Union
This year, I will propose a Drug Control Act to provide stricter penalties for those who traffic in LSD and other dangerous drugs with our people.
I will ask for more vigorous enforcement of all of our drug laws
by increasing the number of Federal drug and narcotics control officials by more than 30 percent. The time has come to stop the sale of slavery to the young.

Johnson started the War on Drugs, not Nixon.

An aside...Just above that statement is this...And I urge the Congress to stop the trade in mail-order murder, to stop it this year by adopting a proper gun control law.

62 posted on 03/25/2009 3:11:06 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Melinda
me: They are already smuggling all sorts of contraband to maximize revenue. You think they are passing up opportunities for profit now?

you: Makes my point quite succinctly for me, thank you.

Actually, it refutes your point - which was that the cartels would replace their revenue from marijuana sales with other illegal activities.

If they are ALREADY maximizing revenue from these other illegal activities, then there is simply not the upside to replace the 2/3 of their revenue that would be lost if marijuana were regulated like alcohol. Economics 101.

63 posted on 03/25/2009 3:12:41 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: AuntB

the kidnappings are directly related to the Cartel violence. Human smuggling is a problem entirely independent from drugs even if they’re smuggled by the same people at the same time. Violence is a direct result of a lack of clear legal means to resolve what are essentially business disputes. Cartel bosses can’t sue each other in court, leaving the gun as their only means.
Human trafficking along the mexican border has never really been a violent affair on it’s own. Illegals on their way across the border don’t need to shoot at border patrol agents, because they just try crossing again the next day. Drug smugglers have an imperative not to be caught because it means going to jail.


64 posted on 03/25/2009 3:21:31 PM PDT by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: trumandogz
Be careful, there are Freepers who advocate 20 years in prison for anyone busted with even one gram of marijuana.
Big WHOOP! Been there, done that.
I was in the old drug war flame wars several years ago. In some circles I'm rather infamous for my staunch support for ending the WOsD.
I like to believe I'm part of the reason why there is a Smoky Backroom at FR nowadays. /You're So Vain
"Bring It" is all I've got to say!

Of course, that is anyone does not include their kids, grandchildren and nieces & nephews.
I'm aware of the hypocrites and the many "made up" stories, much like the ones on the ADD/ADHD threads. "Oh woe for my friend's first cousin twice removed..."
All taken with a grain of salt.

65 posted on 03/25/2009 3:24:26 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: yoe

I didn’t intend to be a thread killer. My apologies.


66 posted on 03/25/2009 4:04:15 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: trumandogz

Except for the fact that we get it from everywhere else without the violence.

Did you miss the 80 and 90’s?

Drugs come from everywhere without the massive violence in mexico so we disagree - you can import illegal drugs as we have for years without the violence.


67 posted on 03/25/2009 4:53:02 PM PDT by edcoil (Saliva will kill you but only if taken in small amounts over a long period of time.)
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To: edcoil

apparently you missed ALL of the news out of Columbia throughout the 80’s and 90’s. Medellin Cartel was responsible for nearly destroying Columbia starting as early as the 70’s.
The violence in Mexico is not new, it’s only escalated over the past few years and migrated closer to the border.


68 posted on 03/25/2009 5:10:56 PM PDT by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: Nipplemancer

I was in Colombia then - I actually was there when they - mowed down a Presidential candidate - was actually staying at the same hotel he was. It’s an interesting elevator ride surrounded by cops with machine guns.


69 posted on 03/25/2009 5:15:59 PM PDT by edcoil (Saliva will kill you but only if taken in small amounts over a long period of time.)
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To: edcoil

how do you reconcile that with your previous comments then, if you are an eyewitness to the horror of narcoterrorism?


70 posted on 03/25/2009 5:29:00 PM PDT by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: edcoil
Back in the 1980’s we were flooded with Mexican Brick. However, there were times when interdiction caused that supply to dry up for brief periods.

And while there was violence on the border it was nothing like it is today, instead that same violence was in Colombia back in the 80’s.

Legalize pot and much of that violence would end.

71 posted on 03/25/2009 5:30:27 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

half measures will not solve the problem, only stall it temporarily. legalizing ALL drugs will crush the cartels’ ability to generate the huge ammount of cash needed to keep them going.
Billions of dollars are made in the illegal drug trade, even removing 75% of the revenue is still plenty of money to work with.


72 posted on 03/25/2009 5:39:52 PM PDT by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: Nipplemancer
My concern is that if we only legalize pot that the cartels would flood the market with other options. But for now start with the hippie lettuce and expand to other drugs.
73 posted on 03/25/2009 5:50:05 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: yoe
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton arrived here Wednesday with the clearest acknowledgment yet from a senior Obama administration official of the role the United States plays in the violent drug trade racking Mexico.

And her husband and brother-in-law account for about 1/3 of that trade.

74 posted on 03/25/2009 10:20:12 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Ken H
Since demand is already being met for cocaine et al, the upside from those other activities is limited.

So you believe that they would not find some other 'bread and butter'? That is naive.

75 posted on 03/26/2009 6:47:35 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SpaceBar
Once that opportunity is gone they will do something else like gambling or prostitution.

Exactly. So using the 'lets take the profit out of drug smuggling' argument for legalizing drugs is silly.

76 posted on 03/26/2009 6:48:29 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: AreaMan
“I agree. Even if dope is made legal they will still smuggle it in “tax free” and switch to a higher profit margin product, coke, heroin, crystal-meth, etc.”

How are they going to “switch” to these other drugs when they are already supplying most all the cocaine, heroin and meth consumed in this country? Our government says about 90% of the cocaine and more than 80% of the heroin and meth consumed in this country are coming through Mexican cartels. They bring this stuff in on top of all the marijuana they bring in and push it through the same distributors. They can't really switch to drugs they've already cornered the market on.

77 posted on 03/26/2009 9:56:30 AM PDT by merican
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To: MEGoody
You have taken perfectly good facts and drawn a perfectly wrong conclusion. According to your logic we might as well just get rid of police because crime is inevitable. Removing illegal profits does work, and was demonstrated by the repeal of prohibition. Because their are other criminal opportunities doesn't support your assertion.
78 posted on 03/26/2009 10:55:24 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: misterrob
I have to agree with the biatch on the point about American demand for drugs. Drugs, debt, sex, booze, etc it all comes down to people’s need to escape, feel good and rot themselves and the broader society.

Yup.

Now if we could only get the border-bots to recognize that US demand for cheap labor (not to mention America's kindly offers of free education, welfare, and health care) is what drives illegal immigration....

79 posted on 03/26/2009 11:01:05 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: yoe

I wonder where Clinton and Obama’s pot was sourced. And where from Obama’s coke come?


80 posted on 03/26/2009 2:59:58 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (CPA, MBA needs a job - referrals welcome)
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