[Fiddlstix]

Ping

[Zeppelin]

Sig heil, suckers.

[muawiyah]

So, what are they going to do to someone who simply ignores the prohibitions on free speech?

[cornelis]

This stuff is happening way to fast.

[LearnsFromMistakes]

I would hope that they are just saying that ‘serving at your church doesn't count’, but I am not ‘legal minded’. I don't even see abortion in the first amendment...

[malkee]

Violation of the constitution ping.

[Fiddlstix]

LINK Here

[Martin Tell]

Don't get me wrong, I think this whole GIVE/Obama Youth thing is creepy, but this prohibition is only for when the little dears are on the govt clock.

I heard a Pubbie added the language about no lobbying, strikes, union organizing, etc. RATS are trying to strike that.

Let's hope the whole bill is sent down the crapper where it belongs.

[gracesdad]

There’s absolutely no way this is trying to forbid people in the youth corps or whatever it is from ever going to church or witnessing. That would be blatantly illegal and even the dimmest bulb on Capitol Hill knows it wouldn’t hold up. I wouldn’t be surprised however if they’re saying that going to church doesn’t count as volunteer work.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

“Attempting to influence Legislation.” You mean like attempting to influence elections? How about busing protesters to harass AIG bonus recipients?

It all sounds so innocent. But then, isn't that how they all start?

[WellyP]

This is WRONG. Obama must be dumb as a box of rocks if he thinks the majority of Americans will accept this. I keep trying to tell my self that this can't be happening but I am having a hard time believing ME.

[TomasUSMC]

The Bill would forbid any student in the brigade to participate in “engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.” That means no church attendance or witnessing.

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Unless its negroes going to a mosque, or reading a koran or selling the newspaper of the nationofislam.

[yoe]

(`SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.)

Reads very much like joining the military....which it really is.

(Hitler youth corps)

[Sloth]

I think it just means that church-related work doesn’t count as your “mandatory volunteerism.”

[lilylangtree]

Obama’s Communism Here We Come Youth Brigade is a better description.

[pgkdan]

The Bill would forbid any student in the brigade to participate in “engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.” That means no church attendance or witnessing.

I don't like the idea of mandatory service at all but I don't think this paragraph means what the author implies it means. I'm sure that what it's saying...and complete context would be helpful...is that the activities above can't be counted as 'vonteer service'. it doesn't say that folks doing service can't attend church.

[Jo Nuvark]

If you are GIVEn a government student loan you must
GIVE three months of your time to G.I.V.E. During
that service your are forbidden to associate in any
way with religion of any kind. ForGIVE me for
asking, but what might Muslims say about this?

[mikeandike]

Million Jugend

[Eagle Eye]

That list looks similar to what one might see in the armed forces meaning that as military members troops cannot lobby, organize protests and such.

Obviously you interpret this to mean that participants cannot go to church....but could it mean that participants cannot try to make a church within the organization, or cannot represent the organization and lobby, protest, etc?

[silverleaf]

The bolsheviks writing zerObama’s decrees just couldn’t help themselves, could they?

Lots of Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and Muslim kids who practice their religion and engage in volunteer work with their churches/temples won’t be eligible for “federal govt guaranteed” student loans, will they? I suppose Boy Scouts will be outlawed by then.

Next, seniors who don’t sign up for tutoring, babysitting and sidewalk sweeping may face cuts in their benefits?