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To: Ira_Louvin

[[Also what examples do you have for talkorigins misrepresentations?]]

Lol- What examples? That whole site, trueorigins is chock full of examples- that is their primary reason for the site- exposing talkorigins lies- As well, you didn’t refute one hting written- all you did was denigrade the writer- that isn’t exactly a valid arguemtn


74 posted on 03/25/2009 5:26:04 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Then it should be no problem for you to cite a few of those misrepresentations, and please specific.

Also I was merely pointing out the credentials of the author that you cited.

I quick google search show 44 recent peer-reviewed papers by Dr. Phillip D. Gingerich.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=philip+d+gingerich+%22ph+d%22+author:p-gingerich&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&start=20&sa=N

How many peer-reviewed papers has Ashby B Camp authored?

Ashby B Camp is an attorney, that my friend is a far cry from a professor of Paleontology, Geological Sciences, Biology, Anthropology, and the Director Museum of Paleontology

Would you rather have a board certified neurosurgeon or a hospital orderly performing the surgery on your embolism?

As far as refuting what was written Mr. Camp has the same misconception of many people. All his paper is pointing out is his perceived problems with the “Gaps in the fossil record” He completely fails to offer an alternate hypothesis, much less provide any testable evidence

“The fact that some transitional fossils are not preserved does not disprove evolution. Evolutionary biologists do not expect that all transitional forms will be found and realize that many species leave no fossils at all. Lots of organisms don’t fossilize well and the environmental conditions for forming good fossils are not that common. So, science actually predicts that for many evolutionary changes there will be gaps in the record.

Also, scientists have found many transitional fossils. For example, there are fossils of transitional organisms between modern birds and their theropod dinosaur ancestors, and between whales and their terrestrial mammal ancestors.”

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php#b3

“Transitional fossil - Misconceptions

It is commonly stated by anti-evolutionists that there are no known transitional fossils. According to evolutionary scientists, this position is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of what represents a transitional feature. A common creationist argument is that no fossils are found with partially functional features. It is entirely plausible, however, that a complex feature with one function can adapt a wholly different function through evolution. The precursor to e.g. a wing, might originally have only been meant for gliding, trapping flying prey, and/or mating display. Nowadays, wings can still have all of these functions, but they are also used in active flight.

Although transitional fossils elucidate the evolutionary transition of one life-form to another, they only exemplify snapshots of this process. Due the special circumstances required for preservation of living beings, only a small percentage of all life-forms that ever have existed can be expected to be discovered. Thus, the transition itself can only be illustrated and corroborated by transitional fossils, but it will never be known in detail. However, progressing research and discovery managed to fill in several gaps and continues to do so.

The theory of punctuated equilibria developed by Stephen J. Gould and Niles Eldredge is often mistakenly drawn into the discussion of transitional fossils. This theory, however, only pertains to well-documented transitions within species or between closely related species over a geologically short period of time. These transitions, usually traceable in the same geological outcrop, often show small jumps in morphology between periods of morphological stability. To explain these jumps, Gould and Eldredge envisaged comparatively long periods of genetic stability separated by periods of rapid evolution.”

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Transitional_fossil_-_Misconceptions/id/5302098


78 posted on 03/25/2009 7:35:40 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin
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To: CottShop

Well I can see that I can no longer type, so it is time for bed.

It has been fun guys.

I would like to give special thanks for being respectful in your arguments, that is appreciated.

I am sure we will continue the discussion at a later date.

God Bless America.


81 posted on 03/25/2009 7:52:11 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin
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