[Sharrukin]

Vietnam ring a bell? You want to call that a victory? Or was it a draw?
First invasion of Canada?
Second American invasion of Canada in 1812?

All of which is beside the point that was made. Civil wars was the topic, and some were won by the right. Most were not. That was the point. Again reading comprehension!

You need this, I can tell.
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[DuncanWaring]

Vietnam ring a bell? You want to call that a victory?

We had that war won in 1970; the North was seriously considering pursuing some sort of truce, which would have probably left South Vietnam a free and prosperous country like South Korea.

Then, Jane Fonda and John Kerry convinced them to "hang in there" while they worked on convincing the traitors in Congress to give up.