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To: Scythian
one was a sub and the other an amphibius ship, I could see how this could easilly happen

No you can't. As a former submarine deck officer, I assure you that submariners stay the H away from surface ships. They know they are smarter than everyone else and don't trust surface sailors [skimmer] to be smart enough to avoid a collision. And if you are steaming in formation, which subs really hate, you keep a really closer eye on them than you would on a known sex offender near your daughter. Subs are extremely maneuverable with big engines and huge rudders, so staying out of the way is really easy, actually. Must have been some idiot on the con. Plus in narrow straights, the CO and navigator would have been there to help out, so three idiots are now flying desks.

Don't know and don't care about the amphib ship. I am only concerned with the dishonor to the silent service.

48 posted on 03/20/2009 7:08:01 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

When I wrote that I thought it was a tiny very vast moving ship, I’ve since learned otherwise ... my bad


51 posted on 03/20/2009 7:09:10 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: AndyJackson
Don't know and don't care about the amphib ship. I am only concerned with the dishonor to the silent service.

There's no dishonor if those responsible find new career paths, effective immediately. We don't know how this happened, although my guess is that the submarine was shallow (the other option is that the amphib went deep, but that seems unlikely). A quick investigation will provide the truth, but a second guess is that everybody was at fault, if the sub was at least broached: both COs, both XOs, possibly the navigators, and certainly the OODs. Someone did a really dumb thing, but everybody failed to anticipate that blunder and to be ready to react to prevent that one blunder from leading to an oopsie, and for that reason they all need to find new career paths.

99 posted on 03/20/2009 8:27:37 AM PDT by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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To: AndyJackson

Those Straits are tight...both should not have been transitting at the same time. Maybe the sub was on patrol. Either way, major screw up.


103 posted on 03/20/2009 8:35:39 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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