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To: mountainbunny

I find it interesting that some “RIGHTS” are more” absolute that others.. IE: An owner may trump may right to the second amendment claiming his Property rights and my duty to shop elsewhere if I don’t like it. However that same owner is forced to build/maintain a handicapped bathroom, or store access, by the handicappers claiming a “Right” to partake of the same owners wares.
Doesn’t seem to be painted with the same brush


87 posted on 03/20/2009 11:31:58 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Robe
I find it interesting that some “RIGHTSâ€� are moreâ€� absolute that others.. IE: An owner may trump may right to the second amendment claiming his Property rights and my duty to shop elsewhere if I don’t like it. However that same owner is forced to build/maintain a handicapped bathroom, or store access, by the handicappers claiming a “Right” to partake of the same owners wares. Doesn’t seem to be painted with the same brush

One chooses to carry a gun. One chooses to carry that gun in the open. One may have decided to live in a state where conceal carry is not an option, but living there is a choice. One may be unable to get a conceal carry permit due to previous (often bad) choices. It is, in my opinion, a good choice for individuals to make, but it remains a choice. A right that you choose to exercise.

One does not, it can be assumed, choose to be handicapped. Being handicapped means that without those bathroom stalls and wider doors, they may be completely unable to hold a job, buy food, or even to appear in public. Everyone eats, and needs to earn the means to support themselves. Those are not really choices, as long as one draws breath.

It is a compromise society has been willing to make so that handicapped people can exercise their right to live and earn a living, and to care for themselves with as much self-sufficiency as possible. Stores make reasonable accommodations, and handicapped people have a place to shop, work, and gather. People who are no longer a burden on society benefit us all. I am not necessarily in favor of these laws, but that is the argument for them.

On the other hand, no one is barring you (the gun owner, not the literal "you") from that store. They are barring you from carrying a gun into that store under certain circumstances. If they feel you are a danger, they will ask you to leave. You have a choice: leave the weapon outside or face arrest. You have other choices, as well. You can choose not to shop there ever again. You can choose to protest. You can choose to write letters. You can choose to boycott. You can choose to tell everyone you know how much the store angered you.

But it's not just the property owner's property rights. It's his right to enjoy tranquility, if you are creating a fuss. It's his right to the fruits of his labor, because if someone is scaring away the customers, he won't make any money. You have no right to deprive him of business. You have no right to upset his customers and keep him from feeding his family as a result.

At the end of the day, you do not have any right to trespass. If the owner says "go", then leave. It is that simple. Without the "right" to be there in the first place, you have no way of exercising your other rights on his property.

90 posted on 03/20/2009 12:16:51 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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