Posted on 03/16/2009 12:28:38 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
PING!
Excellent post! Many thanks.
You’re welcome!
Man has “free will” to choose anything; however, there are consequences.
On the Religious Argument, I like Jeremiah 1:4 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you"..
The Question then is answered "When did you become a You?
Answer: Before you were formed in the Womb.
Consider this basic libertarian principle that governs our country: one’s right to control one’s own body does not permit violating the obligation not commit acts of aggression. Just because you have the ability to do something does not mean that you have the right to do something. You never have a right to kill an innocent person. The unborn are innocent people. An unborn child has the right to be in the mother’s body. As a matter of biology, an unborn child is not “part of a woman’s body” in the same sense that her organs are. Rather, he is a separate being involved in a special symbiotic relationship with the woman, but not part of her.
And I can add that not only is the fetus innocent, and not a part of the mother, but that the mother (in almost every case) undertook to create the dependent relationship. Under undisputed principles of law, when you undertake something, you incur special added responsibilities.
For instance, if you see a child drowning, you have no legal duty to rescue. But if you took that kids out swimming over his head, you have a duty to rescue him is he gets in trouble.
That is about the best, most concise explication of the libertarian argument against abortion I’ve seen yet! Very good!
I am zealously pro-life. So I am on the side of your arguments, but your position on life begins at conception, while I agree, needs to be substantiated with stricter research and support. I think the best statement you made which if I may, I will repeat, is:
Parents have no right to evict their children from the womb and let them die.
Very good sentence!
Hi IR,
I’ll pass this on to the author (not me, but a friend of mine).
I hadn't thought of it quite like that, but it's a great point. The act of procreation was the invitation.
Sounds like we can answer this at our pay grade. Pity others can’t.
Romans 3 says that No One does Good... no not one. Man has 'Free Will' between sin and iniquity. Only in Christ, does God do Good works through man. So when folks like us, go to Heaven, we will look back and say "You did it All! You alone are Worthy of Praise.
To cap it off. Romans 3 also says "No one seeks for God". Romans 15 says "No One comes unto Me unless the Father draws him..." which is echoed decively in the duplicated Psalms 14 and 53.
No, only two men and one woman have had Free Will. Adam and Eve and the Lord Jesus Christ. The Two had it before they ate the Forbiden Fruit. The Lord Jesus Christ used it to redeem the Lost, through His Blood on Calvary's Tree.
Last night, in the presense of a lib, I expressed the opinion that God’s moral laws and the consequences of breaking them were as immutable as His physical laws.
Freaked out. Totally.
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Are you agreeing, disagreeing, or babbling?
We are all wound up robots doing what we were going to do from all time.
Abortions happen. That is the way God in his infinite wisdom wants it to be.
Some of us will give money or support to Pro-Life causes, and if God wants it to be, then some of those efforts will prove to be fruitful.
Or it could all end up in a sordid holocaust of millions more dead babies.
I'd say that since I don't have free will I'll just be sitting in my Barco-lounger eating popcorn watching the whole show slide on by, but I obviously can't choose to just sit on the sidelines.
The grand puppeteer has already decided what I will be doing with regard to the abortion question.
I wonder what that is?
Once the cells can divide, then life exists. It is growing, and nothing grows without life. There is no growth without life. Even plants are said to be alive while they are growing.
Titus 2;11
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