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To: curiosity

1. Obama was not born in the United States. The Certification of Live Birth that he posts on his web site proves nothing. Only the original paper certificate can address this issue.

Not ture. The COLB posted on his website is just as good as any other document when it comes proving birth in the US. The State department accepts it, as does any court in the US.

I SIMPLY SAID THAT IT WAS ONE OF SEVERAL WAYS THAT HE COULD BE INELIGIBLE FOR THE PRESIDENCY. WHY WILL HE NOT RELEASE HIS ORGNAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE? NO HOSPITAL IN HAWAII HAS A RECORD OF TREATING A STANLEY ANN DUNHAM. BETWEEN HIM AND HIS SISTER, THEY CLAIM HE WAS BORN IN TWO DIFFERENT HOSPITALS, NEITHER OF WHICH HAS A RECORD. FURTHER, THE COLB HAS A 2007-STYLE BORDER THAT APPEARS TO BE PHOTOSHOPPED, ONE EXPERT SAYS THIS IS A PHOTOSHOPPED VERSION OF HIS SISTER’S COLB.

2. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have British and American citizenship due to his father being a British subject at the time of his birth.

He did have dual citizenship at birth, which lapsed when he turned 18. He’s admitted that. However, it is irrelevant. If you disagree, please find the passage in the Constitution that prohibits people who had dual citizenship as babies from being president.

THIS IS ALSO THE BASIS FOR SEVERAL LAWSUITS, SO I WOULD SUSPECT IT TO BE RESEARCHED AND TRUE.

3. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have dual citizenship with Indonesia if he was adopted.

Not true. First of all, there is no evidence he was adopted. Second, even if he was, both US and Indonesian law at the time made it impossible for him to have acquired dual citizenship by virtue of adoption.

INDONESIA WAS A DICTATORSHIP AT THE TIME, NO ONE CAME IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY WITHOUT PROPER VISAS, NO ONE ENROLLED IN SCHOOLS WITHOUT CITIZENSHIP. REMEMBER, HIS NAME WAS BARRY SAETORO AT THAT TIME.

His school records from Inonesia indicate he was Indonesian.

A single document from a private school lists his citizenship as Indoensian. Assuming the document is authentic (and there’s a good possibility it is not), then it is in error for the reason stated above.

People do, you know, make mistakes when filling out documents.

THEN BARRY OR HIS PARENTS SHOULD HAVE HAD IT CORRECTED, EVEN LONG AFTER THE FACT.

He also traveled to Pakistan, but under what passport?

There is no reason to believe he traveled on any passport other than a US passport.

PAKISTAN WAS ON A STATE DEPARTMENT RESTRICTED TRAVEL LIST DURING THE TIME PERIOD THAT BARRY CLAIMS HE VISITED THERE.

4. Mother’s age at birth. Hawaiian laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time of Obama’s birth.

True, but a moot point, since there is no evidence he was born anywhere other than Hawaiii.

OTHER THAN KENYAN GRANDMOTHER, HALF SISTER, AND A HOST OF KENYAN OFFICIALS WHO INDICATE OTHERWISE.

5. Failure to formally renounce dual citizenship described above and reestablish American citizenship at some point and show proof of same.

Irrelevant, since under both US and Indonesian law, he never lost his US citizenship.

SEE ABOVE.

OBAMA HAS NOW SPENT NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS IN LAWYER FEES TRYING TO FEND OFF SOMETHING THAT A SIMPLE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE COULD DISPROVE. WHY WILL HE NOT PRODUCE IT, NOT TO MENTION HIS PASSPORT, HIS COLLEGE RECORDS AND MEDICAL RECORDS? EVEN THE MOST NAIVE AMONG US SHOULD QUESTION THESE IRREGULARITIES. IT SHOULD BE AN OPEN AND CLOSED CASE. SORRY, A QUESTIONABLE COLB DOES NOT GET IT.


24 posted on 03/12/2009 12:58:24 PM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Um, a retired FBI documents expert has stated in deposition in the Keyes CA case that the document posted on the web is unacceptable proof of anything Barry is trying to claim.


25 posted on 03/12/2009 1:02:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

PAKISTAN WAS ON A STATE DEPARTMENT RESTRICTED TRAVEL LIST DURING THE TIME PERIOD THAT BARRY CLAIMS HE VISITED THERE.

I must sound like this is on "repeat" and it may get me flamed, but this has been found not correct. There was no US restriction on travel to Pakistan, and several people have posted clear evidence of that. There was a travel advisory which told people that they needed visas to get into Pakistan, and the problems with renewing those visas.

It does us no good to keep repeating points that have been shown to be incorrect.

30 posted on 03/12/2009 1:51:40 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
WHY WILL HE NOT RELEASE HIS ORGNAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

Because he probably doesn't have it. I don't have mine. The original is in the vault in Hawaii. All he can do is request a certified copy of the information on it, which is the COLB he posted on the internet.

NO HOSPITAL IN HAWAII HAS A RECORD OF TREATING A STANLEY ANN DUNHAM.

Hospitals usually don't keep records for 40 years.

BETWEEN HIM AND HIS SISTER, THEY CLAIM HE WAS BORN IN TWO DIFFERENT HOSPITALS, NEITHER OF WHICH HAS A RECORD.

Another unsubstantiated internet rumor.

THE COLB HAS A 2007-STYLE BORDER THAT APPEARS TO BE PHOTOSHOPPED, ONE EXPERT SAYS THIS IS A PHOTOSHOPPED VERSION OF HIS SISTER’S COLB.

Some guy on the internet, who refuses to use his real name, and who claims a Ph.D. in an academic discipline hat does not exist hardly qualifies as an expert.

THIS IS ALSO THE BASIS FOR SEVERAL LAWSUITS, SO I WOULD SUSPECT IT TO BE RESEARCHED AND TRUE.

LOL. Yeah, it's so factual and true just about every lawsuit filed on that basis has been dismissed.

You make a big mistake if assume every lawsuit is well-researched.

INDONESIA WAS A DICTATORSHIP AT THE TIME, NO ONE CAME IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY WITHOUT PROPER VISAS,

Yes, there's little doubt he had a proper visa. That doesn't mean he became an Indonesian citizen.

NO ONE ENROLLED IN SCHOOLS WITHOUT CITIZENSHIP. THEN BARRY OR HIS PARENTS SHOULD HAVE HAD IT CORRECTED, EVEN LONG AFTER THE FACT.

How do you know they didn't? You will note that in the AP photo, someone drew a red line diagonally through the form, as if to invalidate it.

Furthermore, even if the form was never corrected, how do you know it wasn't an honest mistake that neither of Bambi's parnets thought needed correcting?

People do make honest mistakes, you know.

PAKISTAN WAS ON A STATE DEPARTMENT RESTRICTED TRAVEL LIST DURING THE TIME PERIOD THAT BARRY CLAIMS HE VISITED THERE.

No it wasn't. Do you ever bother to verify anything you read on the 'net?

OTHER THAN KENYAN GRANDMOTHER,

She never said he was born in Kenya. On the contrary, she is on record in multiple places as saying he was born in Hawaii. Do some research.

HALF SISTER,

I defy you to find a single shred of evidence that either his half sister or any other member of his family claimed he was born in Kenya.

AND A HOST OF KENYAN OFFICIALS WHO INDICATE OTHERWISE

Not a single Kenyan official is on record as claiming he was born in Kenya.

And no, the Kenyan ambassador's interview with that shock-jock talk radioshow host does not count. The ambassodor very clearly later stated after the interview that he mispoke, and that he did not intend to claim Obama was born in Kenya.

OBAMA HAS NOW SPENT NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS IN LAWYER FEES TRYING TO FEND OFF SOMETHING THAT A SIMPLE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE COULD DISPROVE.

More unsubstantiated internet rumors.

I'm really curious where this million dollar figure has come from. Where did you hear of it?

34 posted on 03/12/2009 2:20:28 PM PDT by curiosity
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