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To: demshateGod

“For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.”

That much is true about the period we are living in but that doesn’t seem to be anything specific about death before the fall or is it? Also, Isaiah is referring to the world that is to come, right?


160 posted on 03/12/2009 6:00:50 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Soothesayer

“Death before the fall”

Yes. The fall would have to be what’s being referred to as what made the creation subject unto vanity. That was a really poorly worded sentence. We have to be talking about the fall here because verse 23 says We ourselves groan. Wouldn’t you agree our groaning and nature’s groaning are from the same event by their proximity in this passage?


161 posted on 03/12/2009 6:15:49 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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