Wikipedia misleads, smears about Obama citizenship "conspiracy theory"

24AheadDotCom ^ | 3/9/09 | self

[lonewacko_dot_com]

Wikipedia has a page called "Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories" (en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories) that smears those who have questions about where Obama was born and whether he's eligible to be president as fringe conspiracy theorists.

The section at that page discussing a 1982 law that lets those born outside HI get valid birth certs falsely implies that Obama wouldn't be eligible under that law. However, the law was clearly intended to be open to those born before 1982.

That doesn't mean that Obama did in fact take advantage of that law. It does mean, however, the Wikipedia has been misleading about this issue for over two months.

What can you do about this? Watch sites like memeorandum.com and the like for those who discuss this issue from the other perspective and point out how they're wrong.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Barack_Obama

Copy and paste the above to read what Liberals think of anyone who dares to question the Liberal Messiah.

[freekitty]

Everyone knows that Wikipedia can be manipulated and frequently are; so why go there?

[Niteranger68]

Wikipedia is not for facts. It's for what people think the facts are. Kinda like 90% of our national media (the 0bama buttboys...and girls).

[freekitty]

LOL I know. It’s an encyclopedia that’s not an encyclopedia.

[Michael Michael]

Necessary disclaimer: the above doesn't mean that Obama took advantage of that law. It just means that it's a possibility.

No, it does not mean it's a possibility.

Obama's Certification of Live Birth shows that his birth was filed by the state Registrar on August 8, 1961.

A registrar could not be filing a birth and issuing a birth certificate in 1961 based on a law which didn't exist until 1982.

[wolfcreek]

Wikiclusterf$%k

[lonewacko_dot_com]

The COLB pictured on his website has never been verified by the issuing agency or any other government entity. There’s only a small chance he’d fake something like that, but until it’s verified it’s just a picture on a webpage.

You’re certainly free to take him at his word, just as long as you note what you’re doing. The reason I’m pushing hard on this is because many people don’t note that they’re basing what they say on faith and not on facts.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

WP is at the top of search results for most terms. You not going there is not going to prevent them from spreading disinfo to millions of people through their various misleading articles.

[Steve Van Doorn]

I have not been following this that well but:
Lets assume for a moment he was born in Kenya.
Wouldn’t Obama have to be adopted in order to get his certificate amended to get his "Certification of Live Birth"?
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/newbirthcert.html

Otherwise he would get a “Hawaii certificate of foreign birth”
http://oeqc.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/11-120.pdf

thanks

[freekitty]

And your point is?

[Steve Van Doorn]

Wikipedia is great for none-political issues. it really is.

[Michael Michael]

The COLB pictured on his website has never been verified by the issuing agency or any other government entity.

Name any other President whose birth certificate was "verified by the issuing agency or any other government entity."

The "verification" is the state registrar's signature stamp certifying that the information contained in the document is an accurate reflection of the record they have on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.



You’re certainly free to take him at his word, just as long as you note what you’re doing.

Well let's see. I've not seen one shred of credible evidence that he was born anyplace other than Hawaii. Nor have I see one shred of credible evidence that the certificate shown is anything other than the genuine article. And last but not least, Hawaii is on record saying unambiguously that they have a birth certificate on file in the state of Hawaii for Obama.

The reason I’m pushing hard on this is because many people don’t note that they’re basing what they say on faith and not on facts.

And that is especially true of those who cooked up and promote this whole "controversy."

[lonewacko_dot_com]

Once again: the COLB as pictured on his site means very little since it hasn’t been verified.

IOW, the cert that’s mentioned in the 10/31 statement from the HI Dep’t of Health and the COLB pictured on his site could be two different things.

It would certainly be very bold of him to fake the COLB, but it’s not like he hasn’t lied before:

http://24ahead.com/s/obama-misleads

For an example of him changing his website to match the newtruth, see the “he was a trainer” post. For an example of him deleting a sentence from someone’s quote - without noting that it was deleted - in order to smear them, see the “Truther” post.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

As they’ve pointed out to me and others, HI is forbidden by law from verifying the COLB as pictured on his site. And, their spokeswoman said: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

And, due to the HI law discussed in the post, he could have a valid cert on file and that cert could indicate a foreign birth.

[Michael Michael]

Once again: the COLB as pictured on his site means very little since it hasn’t been verified.

Verified by whom exactly?

It had been known since August of last year that the physical document was being kept at Obama's Chicago campaign headquarters.

Yet I'm not aware of anyone, save for Fact Check, who ever bothered to go there and ask to see it for themself. So clearly those who have been screaming about it weren't at all interested in verifying it. Why should they? Then they wouldn't have anything to scream about.

It would certainly be very bold of him to fake the COLB, but it’s not like he hasn’t lied before:

http://24ahead.com/s/obama-misleads

I'm shocked, SHOCKED that a politician would ever lie to anyone!

[browardchad]

The section at that page discussing a 1982 law that lets those born outside HI get valid birth certs falsely implies that Obama wouldn't be eligible under that law. However, the law was clearly intended to be open to those born before 1982.

Really? So, has anyone filing these lawsuits ever come up with evidence that a person born out of state to HI residents --either before or after 1982, for the sake of this argument --  has a Certificate of Live Birth, or even a Certification of Live Birth, stating that they were born in Hawaii, rather than the place in which they were actually born?  It shouldn't be all that hard to produce, for a dedicated attorney -- there must be many of these people, according to this theory, who were born somewhere in the US, and for whom the exact place of birth wouldn't be an issue, wouldn't you think?

So, where's the beef?

[Michael Michael]

As they’ve pointed out to me and others, HI is forbidden by law from verifying the COLB as pictured on his site

When did the state of Connecticut ever verify George W. Bush's birth certificate? When did the state of Arkansas ever verify Bill Clinton's birth certificate? When did the state of Massachusetts ever verify George H.W. Bush's birth certificate? When did the state of Illinois ever verify Ronald Reagan's birth certificate?

And, due to the HI law discussed in the post, he could have a valid cert on file and that cert could indicate a foreign birth.

They didn't issue birth certificates of foreign birth in 1961. That law wasn't established until 1982. And Obama's Certification of Live Birth shows his birth was filed by the state registrar in 1961.

Also, a Certification of Live Birth would not be issued as a copy of a Certificate of Foreign Birth. It would be a Certification of Foreign Birth.

[Michael Michael]

Oh, and for what it's worth, the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs was not able to find any record of McCain's birth in the Canal Zone Health Department records, which are kept at the National Archives.

There is no record of McCain's birth in the bound birth registers of the Panama Canal Zone Health Department, which are available for public inspection at the National Archives in College Park, Md. Here is a sample page from the August 1936 birth register.

[Philo-Junius]

I thought McCain was born in Panama proper, not the Canal Zone.