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To: Kansas58
Saint Paul, himself, never even seems to understand that his letters might, someday, be regarded as Holy Scripture.

That's nonsense...Even Peter recognized Paul's writings as Holy Scripture...Paul carried around his books and parchments...

Paul addressed specific people about specific events and problems.

More nonsense...

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a stumblingstone and rock of offense: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

So that one was just for the Romans, eh???

It is very much likely that a great many of Paul's letter were never preserved, at all.

All of Paul's letters are scripture...All of them were preserved...God said He would preserve His scripture...God didn't let that decision rest with His church, or your Church...

120 posted on 03/10/2009 3:47:43 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
You forget an important point:

Every Biblical Verse you quote has one thing in common:

In the New Testament, No Verse ever directly refers to another Verse in the New Testament, only to Verses in the Old Testament.

The New Testament is not very “self aware” -— It does not refer to itself, because, when all of the different Books were written, individually, no New Testament existed.

The combination of the various Letters and Scriptures was done under the authority of the Roman Catholic Church, which also rejected several Books that were not accepted as Canonical or Sacred.

There was no official authority for several centuries, about what writings were Sacred Scripture and which were not.

Also, you seem to have little or no knowledge of the parchment and writing of the day. It was not practical to make several copies of these Scriptures for public use.

Again, the Early Church was an ORAL Church, which spread the Word by WORD OF MOUTH, almost exclusively.

126 posted on 03/10/2009 4:34:57 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Iscool

My Church IS his Church.
Not that any Church is perfect, but all Christian Faith follows directly from the Catholic Church just as surely as all Christian Faith follows directly from its Jewish foundations.


127 posted on 03/10/2009 4:38:37 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Iscool
Try this one:

EVERYTHING you read, in your Bible, was, at some point in time, reprinted or redrawn by a member of the Roman Catholic Church.

Also, Catholics, pretty much, are the ONLY faith that even say The Lord's Prayer the same way as Jesus said it.

I guarantee you that Jesus never said the words, “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever” at the end of the Prayer.

That was “gloss” it was the addition of a Catholic Monk. It was written on the side of a Monk's reproduction of an older work of Scripture. Protestants incorporated this gloss into the original text.

Divinely inspired?

Yes, I think it was, but it was not in the original Lord's Prayer spoken by Jesus.

There is no doubt, as what we now call the Bible was translated, as separate parchments or sheepskins and ancient documents were redrawn, painstakingly, by hand, that other Catholic Monks also made additions, corrections or added their own “inspirations” to the sacred text. That does not reduce its validity, but -— it does make my point that we can not take the Bible, alone, literally, as the word of any one author. Of course, the original texts turned to dust long ago, as did dozens of copies of those original texts, prior to the invention of the printing press.

The Bible that you read today is directly descended from the Bible that the Catholic Church edited, collated and canonized. That work did not really begin, however, until after Catholic Monks had preserved that text, which was not bound together but on separate parchments. This work was done, through the ages, by hand.

That is a fact of history!

129 posted on 03/10/2009 5:01:20 PM PDT by Kansas58
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