[Dick Holmes]

The dirty little secret is that if there are not enough embryos for TESTING, then there certainly won’t be sufficient (under current morality) for commercial medical use in treatment and cures (we will HAVE to farm embryos, preferably cloned humans so there are fewer variables to consider).

But why aren't there enough embryos for testing? How many embryos (human beings) are produced by fertility clinics, and how many of those will ever be implanted in a womb? I have heard that it is standard practice to produce 6 to 14 embryos per patient, and emplant maybe 2 or 3. The rest get frozen, or maybe some are discarded immediately and some frozen. About a quarter of those frozen will not survive freezing and thawing, and since the surplus of frozen embryos made by this process is over a hundred thousand, there are no takers for the majority of them, anyway.

I think we should ban fertility clinics from creating life that will be discarded. Implant all embryos immediately in a womb, or don't make them!

[a fool in paradise]

Where will the embryos come from for medical procedures (not just experimentation but hospital use) if this pans out?