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Why Rush is Wrong (Hey Frum, I want Obama to fail!)
msnbc ^ | 3/7/2009 | David Frum

Posted on 03/07/2009 7:56:01 PM PST by tobyhill

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1 posted on 03/07/2009 7:56:02 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
It wasn't a fight I went looking for.

Have you ever noticed how when these media nobodies get ANY kind of attention they immediately write a column portraying themselves as victims, so they can join the "Yes, I've suffered, too!" brigades?

To them, being criticized for something they've said is the same as a battlefield wound.

2 posted on 03/07/2009 7:59:16 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Behind enemy lines in Boston and Cambridge)
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To: tobyhill

Don’t read Frum anymore. He’s an Eastern Elite and looks down on me. Irrelevant.


3 posted on 03/07/2009 8:00:31 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: tobyhill

The bottom line is...Obama had BETTER fail, or America does.

...and that’s the truth!


4 posted on 03/07/2009 8:01:11 PM PST by luvie (The new Boston Tea Party is here, baby, and it's doused in barbecue sauce..Michelle Malkin)
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To: tobyhill

Frum is a pathetic idiot.


5 posted on 03/07/2009 8:01:15 PM PST by devere
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To: tobyhill
(although I feel kind of silly about it in retrospect) the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

He feels "silly" about supporting the impeachment of a president who committed perjury?

His feelings of silliness are indeed silly. (And that's being kind.)

6 posted on 03/07/2009 8:01:15 PM PST by KJC1
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To: tobyhill
I served on the Giuliani campaign in 2008...

Uhhhhhh...I wouldn't point to my association with Giuliani as a way to bolster my Conservative credentials.

7 posted on 03/07/2009 8:01:25 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: tobyhill

“If” David Frum was set alight and put into a wheel barrow headed down towards the edge of the Grand Canyon, I must admit to being more concerned about the wheel barrow’s final allotment then Mr. Frum.

Enough with the Vichy Republicans, cannot win with them, cannot use their ideas, cannot use their talking points.

Can’t do it.


8 posted on 03/07/2009 8:02:28 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: tobyhill
I'm a conservative Republican, have been all my adult life....

What a POS. Mark Levin tore him a new and now he's whining. What a jerk.

Listen to Levin take the loser to the woodshed....

Levin vs. Frum

9 posted on 03/07/2009 8:04:55 PM PST by 50cal Smokepole (Hey Al Gore! Get your fat carcass over here and shovel all this global warming off my driveway!)
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To: tobyhill
Obama Pictures, Images and Photos
10 posted on 03/07/2009 8:05:44 PM PST by AmericanSphinx71 (Pray for America)
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To: devere

I didn’t know anything about him until this thread. I read about four paragraphs of his screed.....Your assessment is spot on!


11 posted on 03/07/2009 8:07:19 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: 50cal Smokepole
....tore him a new one.... sheesh
12 posted on 03/07/2009 8:07:43 PM PST by 50cal Smokepole (Hey Al Gore! Get your fat carcass over here and shovel all this global warming off my driveway!)
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To: tobyhill
On the one side, the president of the United States: soft-spoken and conciliatory, never angry, always invoking the recession and its victims. This president invokes the language of "responsibility," and in his own life seems to epitomize that ideal: He is physically honed and disciplined, his worst vice an occasional cigarette. He is at the same time an apparently devoted husband and father. Unsurprisingly, women voters trust and admire him.

And for the leader of the Republicans? A man who is aggressive and bombastic, cutting and sarcastic, who dismisses the concerned citizens in network news focus groups as "losers." With his private plane and his cigars, his history of drug dependency and his personal bulk, not to mention his tangled marital history, Rush is a walking stereotype of self-indulgence—exactly the image that Barack Obama most wants to affix to our philosophy and our party. And we're cooperating! Those images of crowds of CPACers cheering Rush's every rancorous word—we'll be seeing them rebroadcast for a long time.

I don't need to read anymore to understand that this guy, Frum, is an apologist and an a** kisser.

The language of responsibility associated with Barack Obama? Really? How responsible was it to rub soldiers with a self-admitted, unrepeentant terrorist like Ayers? How responsible was it to be tangled up financially with a guy like Rezco? How responsible is it, Frum, to be dismantling the free market, to casually write off the DOW and the billions and trillions being loss as a, sot of "poll"?

So, Barry's only vice is an occassional cigarette? What about the coke he admits to snorting you fool? By his own admission, the occassional blow...the rumors that as a state senator he may have still indulged?

And then you have the audacity to talk about Rush's pain pills?

Rush is a self made man...and a very successful one at that. He is the epitome of what the free market means when someone delivers a good product and service that others desire and then they freely choose to use it.

And that is what this is about. Obama and his ilk are picking a fight with Rush precisely so folks like you will create a rift in the GOP and particularly amongst conservatives...and you have taken the bait, hook line and sinker.

They want to divide us as their opposition, and they want to somehow, any way they can, remove Rush from the position of influence he holds precisely because they hate the free market because it cuts so directly against their marxist ideology.

They are going to fail in the long run...but Obama is going to make a lot of Americans hurt between now and then and I hope too that he fails in his efforts so fewer Americans are hurt as a result of his policies.

13 posted on 03/07/2009 8:08:36 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Texas Eagle
This clown thinks he's the future of the Conservative Movement.
14 posted on 03/07/2009 8:08:42 PM PST by tobyhill (Obama gets no free pass from Free Republic!)
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To: tobyhill

Obviously Frum thinks he is important, but I don’t think more than a few people would agree.


15 posted on 03/07/2009 8:17:10 PM PST by boroman
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To: Jeff Head
He is physically honed and disciplined

Say no more. Hazy homoerotic references to the idiot-boy's physique are definitive signs--Frum has drunk the koolaid. He joins Nooner, Brooks, Gergen, et al. on the sellout line.

16 posted on 03/07/2009 8:18:20 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: tobyhill
On the one side, the president of the United States: soft-spoken and conciliatory, never angry, always invoking the recession and its victims. This president invokes the language of "responsibility," and in his own life seems to epitomize that ideal: He is physically honed and disciplined, his worst vice an occasional cigarette. He is at the same time an apparently devoted husband and father. Unsurprisingly, women voters trust and admire him.

Sounds like you have a thing for him, too, Mr. Frum.

As for Present Obama's perceived epitomization of responsibility, do you think it was "responsible" of him to sit in his church pew for 20 years while his Pastor lambasted the United States of America at every turn?

Was it "responsible" of him to pal around with (that's right, I said pal around with) admitted domestic terrorists?

Was it "responsible" of him to engage in a real estate transaction with a well-known slumlord that redounded to his own great benefit?

Was it responsible of Obama to dismiss his nominee for Treasury Secretary's tax evasion?

The list goes on and on, Mr. Frum.

As for Rush's "history of drug dependency". What a cheap shot. Rush's drug dependency came about as a result of medication he was prescribed. You seem to have forgotten that Obama himself admitted to smoking marijuana and there are reports that he also used cocaine.

Bottom line, Mr. Frum, you're pathetic.

17 posted on 03/07/2009 8:19:08 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: tobyhill

Levin made an absolute monkey of Frum on the radio. And that’s not racist because both of them are white.


18 posted on 03/07/2009 8:21:26 PM PST by DManA (And he was brazenly inviting his listeners to get on Democratic committee Web sites, to say nice thi)
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I don’t want Obama to “succeed”, and I am not ashamed to say so.

Here’s why:

If Obama “succeeds”, he is going to destroy the free market in this country, gut our military and cement liberalism in the government programs put in place by this so called “Stimulus Package”.

I do not want him to succeed. If we, as a country have to suffer for several years due to his failure, but have a chance to come out the other side with functioning markets that have a chance to recover, then I would take that over his “success”. Is his “success” going to bring back the half of my retirement savings that have been lost? Absolutely not. Is it going to create jobs and spur industry? No. Is it going to raise my taxes or shrink my paycheck? Well, government money only comes from three places: Taxes, Loans, or Printing Presses. All of them are bad if abused. If they raise taxes, my paycheck goes down. If they take loans, the money to pay them back has to come from somewhere, and if the printing presses do double-time, the value of my earnings go down to I have to spend more to buy the same thing.

So, NO. I don’t want him to succeed.

I don’t feel that way out of schadenfreude, I feel that way because we have spent a lot of blood and treasure to give our citizens the most comfortable existence for the largest number of people in history. American style free market capitalism is the rising tide that has floated all boats and made the lives of untold millions around the world better because of it.


19 posted on 03/07/2009 8:22:34 PM PST by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: tobyhill
"...I supported the Iraq War and (although I feel kind of silly about it in retrospect) the impeachment of Bill Clinton. I could go on, but you get the idea...."

He feels "silly" about demanding that the President of the United States adhere to the rule of law which means telling the truth in front of a grand jury?

He should feel silly about feeling silly.

20 posted on 03/07/2009 8:25:17 PM PST by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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