Posted on 03/07/2009 2:57:19 PM PST by dangus
Kansas58 says “Nothing will be gained, by keeping Sebelius out of the HHS position.”
Kansas58 says “Nothing will be gained, by keeping Sebelius out of the HHS position.”
Kansas58 says “Nothing will be gained, by keeping Sebelius out of the HHS position
Kansas58 says “Nothing will be gained, by keeping Sebelius out of the HHS position.”
Kansas58 says “Nothing will be gained, by keeping Sebelius out of the HHS position.”
Kansas58 says “Nothing will be gained, by keeping Sebelius out of the HHS position
I have been out of town and not focused on the news since Friday morning; so, if what I say is wrong I’m sure I will be corrected. Here are the facts as I see them:
1. NO recognized pro-life leader has sided with Brownback.
2. Getting Sebelius out of Kansas to pursue her radicalism nationwide IS NOT a solution. As I have previously said, if Sebelius was being appointed Secretary of the Interior or a similar post, this would be different.
3. YOU have consistently supported Brownback while criticizing national pro-life leaders. I do not know what YOUR agenda is here, but it is clearly in conflict with national pro-life groups.
I want you to trash Sebelius.
However, NOBODY that is put in this position will be any better than Sebelius.
Also, if Brownback had made a negative comment, about Sebelius, the fight would be, now, “all about Sam” and that would not help any of us.
My agenda is to win elections.
My agenda is also to try and pic my fights wisely. We have far too many loose cannons, demagogues and circular firing squads, in this movement.
I will always take shots at people who would rather take shots at our own, rather than move the ball forward.
We do NOT have the votes to stop Sebelius. Anyone you put in her place, if by some miracle you do shoot Sebelius down, will be every bit as bad as Sebelius.
Trash Sebelius all you want, but not a single blogger on this site has done as much for the prolife political cause as Brownback. He is not a “traitor” just because some incompetent upstart does not agree with him on strategy.
I want you to trash Sebelius.
However, NOBODY that is put in this position will be any better than Sebelius.
But it WAS NOT necessary for Brownback to support her.
Also, if Brownback had made a negative comment, about Sebelius, the fight would be, now, “all about Sam” and that would not help any of us.
As they say, silence is golden.
ALL of your comments are predicated upon the notion that it was a good idea for Brownback to endorse Sebelius. It was a horrible idea and you haven't offered a single reason why it was other than to say that she will be out of Kansas. However, when she imposes her agenda on the ENTIRE nation, having her out of Kansas is harmful to everyone.
We are going to get stuck with a pro abort radical, no matter what.
If you shoot down Sebelius, we will just get some government retread with a less documented record on this issue.
It sucks to be out of power, yes, I agree -— but we do not get back into power by shooting our own.
You still have not offered a sufficient explanation as to why it was necessary for Brownback to endorse her.
You shoot down Sebelius (And don't get me wrong, I want the public to hear how terrible she is, shoot at her all you want.)
However, what WILL be gained, if she is kept out of HHS?
Who would you put in her place? Oh, Ya, I forgot, its not your call is it? We need to bash Obama, we need to bash Sebelius, but we also MUST allow our people on the front lines to make some decisions, politically.
If this helps Sam Brownback, in the next election, and it does no measurable harm, then I trust Sam to have made the right decision.
Can you measure or document any harm done by standing back and letting the inevitable happen, today, so that we might be guaranteed a win, tomorrow?
Every General, in every war, has done the same.
It sucks sometimes, but it does not make that General a “traitor”.
Yes, as I said and you quoted:Kansas58 says “Nothing will be gained, by keeping Sebelius out of the HHS position.”
First, you can't do it.
Second, if you did do it, that would not move the prolife ball forward, in this game.
Third, if you did keep Sebelious out, we would then get stuck with someone who was just as bad
Fourth, we would then have Sebelious, as Gov, for 2 more years.
Fifth, Sebelious would have a clean shot at Senator, in 2 more years.
I would guess he got something for that.
Nothing at all wrong with a politician making a deal, that is what we pay them for, believe it or not. And nothing of value was lost, by Brownback, in that deal, since Sebelius is practically a shoe in, and, even if she does stumble, -— who is next????
So, you are saying that Brownback is Faust?
“If this helps Sam Brownback, in the next election, and it does no measurable harm,...”
So sorry, but children DEAD are real HARM. We move the witch from Kansas to the world stage and many more are DEAD. Get it? Dead babies. That is the goal you support. Why?
And nothing of value was lost,
And nothing of value was lost,
And nothing of value was lost,
Well except for a few hundred million BABIES. That’s all.
NOT ONE LIFE WOULD BE SAVED!
Not one.
You are a Zealot. Your cause is so important to you, that you have thrown logic, caution, manors and common sense to the wind.
We can now win anything by acting the way you are acting. Sometimes some of our folks will disagree with us, on minor details (And this IS minor).
This is NOT worth going nuclear, not even close.
We will need Sam Brownback, on other votes. He is a good man and will vote the right way, even if you make an ass out of yourself on those other votes. However, there are some out there, on the fence, who might be persuaded to vote with us 50% or 75% of the time. Why should THEY bother, however? It is obvious that we eat our own, so why even try to make people like you happy?
Your response should be to try and find another person, in another State, that will run for Senator and do exactly as you wish, all the time.
Go away, do that, come back and give us a report, ok?
There's this: Sebelius will be in Washington instead of Topeka. One giant step forward for Kansas.
>> If you cannot live with that, then tough. I could give a rats butt less what you think pal. <<
Apparently you can, ‘cause you keep writing. I got a couple thousand people wanted to read what I wrote. What kind of idiot tells the author of a post that it’s (and I quote) “already posted”? Why don’t you go fill out some forms on line so you can get some telemarketers to keep your life from being so empty?
Incidentally, for some who believe that Roosevelt’s popularity despite failing to get us out of the great depression suggests that Obama could politically benefit from his economic failing: Within the first 100 days of the Roosevelt administration, the stock market had soared nearly 50%; it nearly doubled in the first year.
Hehehe. Someone Madoff with all the Obamabots’ money already.
Sadly I’m not feeling the humor. Not sure if wait and hold breath or get out now—I keep thinking it is bottom and then it goes lower...broker of no help at all either.
A few weeks ago, I was much more afraid for conservative causes than I am now too (besides the economy). I thought the Democrats might’ve learned from Clinton.
The lie is that Clinton was a centrist and Obama was a pragmatist. Clinton was no centrist at all, but he was a pragmatist. If Obama were a pragmatist, he’d’ve rescued the economy in the short term with tax rebates, and looked forward to years of Demonrat domination to dominate the court systems, move the center far to the left, and slipped outrage after outrage through a worshipping media.
Instead, he’s committing Clinton’s 93-94 mistakes all over again, without having the economy ready to rebound. And he won’t have the GOP to rescue the economy, than act as a foil like they did in 95-96.
If we all do the right thing, the GOP will win the House in ‘10, and refuse to pass along big-government stimulus. That’ll rebuild the fiscal stucture of the US for future growth, but it will mean there’s no rebound until after ‘12 (think of the 1937 or 1982 “second dips”, by which time there’ll be a GOP president.
Read post 139. It’s not cheery economically, but it’s a little hopeful in the long run.
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