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Too few remember the murdered down in South Texas in Goliad - who were killed after leaving their fort.

Yes, some in TX were fighting Santa Anna for their economic freedom and way of life (which, in did include slavery) - but few who fought were slave-owners. Despite the revisonists today.

Thank you, TN volunteers.

1 posted on 03/06/2009 7:49:34 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Thank you for the reminder.
May those that have any thinking abilities left, think.


2 posted on 03/06/2009 7:54:51 PM PST by elpinta (Speachless!!!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
The Alamo, San Antonio, TX

The final assault came before daybreak on the morning of March 6, 1836, as columns of Mexican soldiers emerged from the predawn darkness and headed for the Alamo's walls. Cannon and small arms fire from inside the Alamo beat back several attacks. Regrouping, the Mexicans scaled the walls and rushed into the compound. Once inside, they turned a captured cannon on the Long Barrack and church, blasting open the barricaded doors. The desperate struggle continued until the defenders were overwhelmed. By sunrise, the battle had ended and Santa Anna entered the Alamo compound to survey the scene of his victory.

While the facts surrounding the siege of the Alamo continue to be debated, there is no doubt about what the battle has come to symbolize. People worldwide continue to remember the Alamo as a heroic struggle against impossible odds — a place where men made the ultimate sacrifice for freedom. For this reason, the Alamo remains hallowed ground and the Shrine of Texas Liberty.



3 posted on 03/06/2009 8:00:36 PM PST by smokingfrog ( Dear Mr. Obama - Please make it rain candy! P.S. I like jelly beans.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Hallowed ground.


4 posted on 03/06/2009 8:01:07 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

(Below is the version of the Alamo story from “The Straight Dope”, by Cecil Adams, of the Chicago Reader, a column much like Snopes, devoted to sorting fact from fiction.)

There was not just one Texan survivor at the Alamo, but six: three women, two children, and a black male servant. In addition, sympathizers from the town of San Antonio across the river from the Alamo were sneaking in and out of the fort more or less continuously during the siege preceding the massacre, so there was no lack of Texan witnesses to the whole affair.

Still, the most detailed reports of the battle itself come from Mexican soldiers. It turns out that the stirring stories of heroic deeds so cherished by Texans were arrived at mostly by that creative process we call “making it up,” the basis of much American history.

One of the longest and possibly most objective accounts of the Alamo’s last stand was written by one Jose Enrique de la Pena, a lieutenant colonel with the forces of the Mexican president-general Santa Anna. He was critical of the leadership on both sides, particularly his own.

For instance, when Mexican forces first arrived at San Antonio on February 23, 1836, the Texans were sleeping it off from a rousing party the night before, and the Alamo (a converted mission) was guarded by only ten men. Rather than move swiftly, though, the Mexican commander dawdled, permitting the Texans to raise the alarm and scramble their forces into position.

As it happened, the defenders were about as disorganized as the Mexicans. They had a clumsy system of dual leadership, with the regular forces commanded by William Travis while the volunteers answered only to Jim Bowie. The Texans had not bothered to store much food or ammunition, and they had nowhere near enough men to defend their fort, a large, irregularly shaped compound whose walls were crumbling in places.

The Mexican troops, for their part, were poorly paid, ill-fed, and haphazardly trained, and had been exhausted by a grueling march over the desert. Even so, morale was reasonably high. The Mexicans with some justice regarded the Texans as murderous barbarians. Indeed, one of the reasons the Texans were so determined to win independence from Mexico in the first place was that the Mexican constitution outlawed slavery, which the Texans favored.

Having lost the advantage of surprise, Santa Anna could have done two things: simply bypass the Alamo altogether, since it was of little strategic value, or wait until his artillery arrived, which would simplify breaching the fort’s defenses. He did neither, opting instead for a rash attack instead on March 6—according to rumor, says de la Pena, because Santa Anna had heard that Travis and company were on the verge of surrendering, and he didn’t want to win without some battlefield heroics first.

The assault was a nightmare. Advancing on the fort, the Mexicans were ordered to commence firing while still out of range, with the result that they had to reload under the Texans’ guns. Scaling ladders were inadequate, and the Mexican soldiers were forced to scrabble over the walls on the backs of their fellows. Once the Mexicans were inside, the battle degenerated into a melee, with soldiers shooting at their comrades as often as at the enemy.

When it was all over, seven captured defenders, including Davy Crockett, were brought before Santa Anna. He ordered them killed, and they were hacked to death with sabres. American losses are variously given as 182, 188, and 253, while the Mexicans lost more than 300, de la Pena says. All in all, it was not a heroic episode for anyone concerned.

— Cecil Adams


5 posted on 03/06/2009 8:09:41 PM PST by re_tail20
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

The heroes of Goliad and the Alamo are rolling in their graves to see what is happening these days.

May God Bless These Heroes. May Americans today learn the lessons of their sacrifice.


6 posted on 03/06/2009 8:09:44 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
The Training Ground: Grant, Lee, Sherman, and Davis in the Mexican War, 1846-1848 (Hardcover)

Must read

7 posted on 03/06/2009 8:11:26 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Indeed, Goliad was as much an fight for independence as the Alamo. Those at the Alamo were remembering Goliad before San Jacinto remembered the Alamo.

Today is an important day to remember.

And I was proud on Monday to be in one of the few counties where we still close offices for Texas Independence Day.

8 posted on 03/06/2009 8:15:27 PM PST by Wneighbor
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9 posted on 03/06/2009 8:15:27 PM PST by TADSLOS ( Join the Conservative Revolution! http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I remember the Alamo, every day.


10 posted on 03/06/2009 8:18:54 PM PST by BigCinBigD ('When a man believes that any stick will do, he at once picks up a boomerang,')
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I believe there were almost 300 murdered by the Mexicans at Goliad...something to do with black beans. As a 6th generation Tennessean, I always had a sense of pride whenever I visited the Alamo...last time in 1996. I would venture that I have been to the Alamo 20+ times or better. I used to live in Del Rio, was stationed at Lackland, spent time TDY to the MWD center at Lackland, and the last time went to continuing ed there...A good many individuals from this area are related to the Tennesseans that were killed at the Alamo...Lawrenceburg is only 60 miles from here.
13 posted on 03/06/2009 8:23:35 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I will always remember the Alamo. It’s my birthday today.


14 posted on 03/06/2009 8:24:13 PM PST by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; All
God Bless Texas! God Bless Texas!

15 posted on 03/06/2009 8:26:35 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm8gvXClrP4&feature=related

Davy, a Tennessean, at the Alamo.

16 posted on 03/06/2009 8:26:56 PM PST by Memphis Moe
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

BUMP and thank you for the post.


17 posted on 03/06/2009 8:28:44 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

http://www.lp.org/blogs/donny-ferguson/lp-monday-message-happy-texas-independence-day-why-that-matters-to-you

See the article posted on the Libertarian Party website.


19 posted on 03/06/2009 8:30:02 PM PST by KwHorn77 (Tired of the GOP being the minority party!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

BTTT


21 posted on 03/06/2009 8:32:50 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL62m5umP4g

Marty Robbins - Ballad of the Alamo


23 posted on 03/06/2009 8:34:31 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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Gentlemen,please remove your hats.

The Alamo is one of the most solemn places I’ve ever been.


30 posted on 03/06/2009 8:52:38 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Why are guns always named Bill? Why not Bob or Fred? Maybe something cheery, like Petunia.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

It just seemed appropriate to ping.


32 posted on 03/06/2009 8:56:55 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I asked everyone at work “What is today, March 6th?”

Sadly, no one knew.

Those who do not know history, are destined to repeat it.


34 posted on 03/06/2009 8:58:29 PM PST by stickandrudder (Another Bitter-Clinger --------------- Molon Labe)
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