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To: holyscroller
"I disagree. It is straight out Alinski's "Rules for Radicals", and whenever it is used, it is ALWAYS used to bring the group to the predetermined outcome. It is NEVER used by honest people to honestly assess the desires of those in attendance."

I completely agree with you. I have been watching how Mr. Obama uses the Technique just about every time he opens his mouth. It is all he knows, and it just sickens me to watch how our people are being manipulated into full blown Marxisms. He used it with the whole health care summit the other day.

President Barack Obama opened a White House health care summit Thursday, calling for his allies and opponents to come together to overhaul the U.S. health care system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7W6cQkPwaI

Predetermined goal: Socialized Medicine

Supposedly looking for bipartisan support - yet uses the Delphi Technique to manipulate those listening to the predetermined assumptions and outcome.

This lady had some terrible assumptions about the health care debate:

http://patients.about.com/b/2009/03/07/obamas-healthcare-summit-the-devil-is-in-compromises-and-details.htm

"I believe that in order to fix the system and contain the costs, everyone, both healthy people and sick people, must pay into the system, however the system is designed."

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7014325440

"House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), who did not attend the summit, "welcome[d] the dialogue" but repeated his criticism of Obama's 2010 budget,s saying, "Taxpayers cannot afford to subsidize a bureaucratic takeover of health care with a massive tax hike on all Americans, particularly in these troubled economic times."

And from that same article: (This to me was the kicker quote regarding the Delphi Technique)

"During the summit,Obama called healthcare reform a moral imperative and a fiscal imperative.

"If we want to create jobs and rebuild our economy and get our federal budget under control, then we have to address the crushing cost of health care this year, in this administration," the President said.

"Everyone has a right to take part in this discussion, nobody has the right to take it over and dominate. The status quo is the one option that's not on the table, and those who seek to block any reform at all -- any reform at any costs will not prevail this time around," he added.

Obama had signed into law a bill expanding the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) in January as one of his first pieces of legislation. The measure expands coverage from 6.7 million children to 4 million more children at the cost about $33 billion over the next 4 1/2 years. Republicans had opposed the bill over concerns about loopholes, including adults and illegal immigrants benefiting from the program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7W6cQkPwaI

What no one ever talks about is that the portions of American Health Care that are socialized (and some estimate that over fifty percent of our Health System is already funded by taxpayers) that portion of health care is the problematic side - befuddled by fraud, waste, and non-market based prices for drugs, surgery, and hospital care.

We have huge swaths of American Health care that receive no federal funding at all and the prices have stayed at reasonable levels for those consumers who wish to purchase what these providers have to sell. I am specifically talking about alternative healing as defined by chiropractic care, midwifery, massage therapy, homeopathic care, naturopathic care, herbs, and chinese medicine.

These healers, who are mostly out of the realm of the insurance and socialistic side of things have kept prices reasonable and based on market forces, while fellow healers in the allopathic world have increased costs beyond all prudent home budgets BECAUSE of non market forces picking the prices for care.

The answer for all health care issues is to get all government money out of health care, let the market regulate itself freely and let the consumer decide what will stay and what will go.

This is the only answer for our society. Anything less and we will all be medical slaves for the next fifty years until the whole thing implodes.

Jenny

114 posted on 03/13/2009 7:24:56 AM PDT by Jenny Hatch (Mormon Mommy Blogger)
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To: Jenny Hatch

bttt


115 posted on 03/14/2009 11:55:27 AM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Jenny Hatch

Do you have an updated link to the original article? It seems to have been moved.


124 posted on 07/16/2013 8:25:57 AM PDT by Bob
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