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To: Jenny Hatch

Why can’t we use this technique ourselves? Why are we always on the defensive?


11 posted on 03/06/2009 7:13:45 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert
Why can’t we use this technique ourselves? Why are we always on the defensive?

Because this Delphi Method, i.e., Alinski Method, i.e., Group Dynamics is unethical. It hurts a lot of innocent people when used for evil purposes. It manipulates the groups free will. People are deceived, and later suffer the consequences of what they've unwilling done. They become victims - for real.

It's cruel, and just plain evil. That's why the "All praise goes to Lucifer" Alinski followers use it.

13 posted on 03/06/2009 7:21:36 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: nuconvert
PS.....there's also something else Oboma uses, which is why he MUST keep his face before an audience (t.v camera and u-tube). It's called Covert Hypnoses. You know he's using it when he trys to get you to "picture/Imagine/dream about/ see/ seriously think about" what it is he's he wants you place into your subconscious mind. The pictures aren't filtered by the analytical mind (which is why the left does so well with the visual media and not so well with talk radio)

There's also key words:
Examples - advancement, amazing, announcing, appealing, at last, authentic, breakthrough, challenge, change, deserve, exciting, extraordinary, fresh, indispensable.....etc. you get the drift. He's finalizing the "sale."

Covert Hypnoses is temporary at first. If reinforced enough, it becomes a habit, and the message remains until it's deprogrammed. HE MUST stay in your face for this to work. This is how he built his "army."

The Chicago inner city schools use this technique on their wayward students. Oboma was big in these schools, so he's learned it well.

20 posted on 03/06/2009 7:41:44 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: nuconvert

We can and do use it.
While studying in Boston in the late 60’s I encountered a graduate of the BU school of Social Sciences who had just received a PhD, one of the first, in group dynamis. He was the group leader of my graduate class at Tufts for 3 years, one Dr. Bruce Baldwin. Through him we learned the science of group dynamics.
I recognized at the time that this was a dangerous tool that could easily control people. The only systems I later used in my work with disadvantaged communities was enabling expression. I refused to manipulate groups into predetermined conclusions, with a few significant exceptions.
These are enormously powerful tools because they appear to rely on democratic principles.
The foundational principles of Free Republic make it clear to all that open discourse is encouraged but conservative values are the playing field. This removes the possibility of group manipulation.
The Delphi system, as outlined above and practiced by the 0 administration, can only be effective with groups and individuals who have weak basic principles. This is precisely why true conservatives, Right to Lifers, Roman Catholic leadership and so forth are excluded from White House study groups.
Our very existence is an affront to the Delphi Masters, much as is Rush. Let not your heart be troubled. Truth and conviction will break the rod of tyranny.


24 posted on 03/06/2009 7:46:10 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: nuconvert
"Why can’t we use this technique ourselves?"

One very serious problem with this method is that even when is is used without a planned, predetermined outcome, it still, often, fails to produce a useful consensus. It may often produce a consensus based on the most loudmouthed member of the group, not on the carefully considered opinions of all of the members of group. The most loudmouthed member of the group may be the boss, or the leader, and he will often suppress the very views he purports to encourage.

62 posted on 03/06/2009 8:48:56 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: nuconvert

Conservatives use honest methods of persuasion. Real debate, good facts, solid evidence. We don’t claim to be neutral when we’re not and trick people into thinking they came up with a fake consensus answer. We don’t like using marxist ways of tricking people.


100 posted on 03/07/2009 6:47:07 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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