Posted on 03/04/2009 7:16:11 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
“...I dont mind telling you exactly what I believe and wearing my faith as a badge of honor...”
That’s great—I’m more private.
But you’re still attempting to divide and elevate; that was the crux of my post.
Thank you oh so very much for your beautiful testimony, dear brother in Christ!
“Thats greatIm more private.
But youre still attempting to divide and elevate; that was the crux of my post.”
No elevation here, my friend. The crux of your post is that you’re afraid to answer a straight question but don’t mind ridiculing the beliefs of others.
You are at least trustworthy. I trusted I would not get a straight answer and you did not dissapoint.
“Im not convinced of which is true with you. I just know its one or the other.”
You make it easy. Apparently, based on my posts here, you can conclude definitively that I’m either ashamed of my faith or a David Koresh clone. Sigmund, you still got it!
If someone disagrees with you, you “demonize by definition”. Some Christians are just more equal than others, I guess.
Anything to avoid answering... always pouncing then playing like you’re the one abused.
Tut-tut...
You missed the answer—I’m a Christian. Just not the loud, chest-beating, waitress-stiffing variety. A devout believer. And a believer in the fact that the bible contains beautiful allegory, including Genesis.
Not specific. I can live any old way I want and say the Bible is a beautiful book all day long, but unless I believe it and live it I’m just a fool that’s full of hot air... and no I’m not saying bad stuff about you.
The only thing you will answer clearly is that you believe most of the Bible to be allegory. That means absolutely nothing concrete so therefore you judge what others believe without ever revealing what it is that you believe.
The only thing you accomplish is circular reasoning.
“The only thing you will answer clearly is that you believe most of the Bible to be allegory. “
You continue to make my point. I have said repeatedly that I am a Christian. Where does that appear in your post, excerpted above? You will not accept that until I lay out my faith for your point-by-point inspection. Only then might you consider accepting my answer.
Sorry, but I remain correct. You want to ensure that you belong to a band of “more equal” Christians. You have a faith-evaluation scorecard, and only those who achieve a passing grade are Christians in your eyes. Sorry, I’m a Christian, and you, sir, belong to a small minority within the faith.
Here’s a start:
If anyone says that by faith alone the sinner is justified, so as to mean that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification let him be anathema (Trent, sess. 6, canon 9).
If anyone says that the righteousness received is not preserved and also not increased before God by good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not a cause of its increase, let him be anathema (Trent, sess. 6, canon 24).
Don’t forget the Mary idolotry:
From Pope John Paul II’s will:
“Watch, therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming” (Mt 24: 42) - these words remind me of the last call that will come at whatever time the Lord desires. I want to follow Him and I want all that is part of my earthly life to prepare me for this moment. I do not know when it will come but I place this moment, like all other things, in the hands of the Mother of my Master: Totus Tuus. In these same motherly hands I leave everything and Everyone with whom my life and my vocation have brought me into contact. In these Hands I above all leave the Church, and also my Nation and all humankind.
He places his moment of death, the church, his nation, ans all mankind into the hands of Mary?!
The whole Catholic system is “another gospel, which is not another.” (Galatians 1:6-7)
Keep on telling yourself that Buck. Honestly I could care less if I were the only one as long as I followed Christ.
A Christian is not one who simply takes the name otherwise Christian Dior and Christian Slater would not need salvation. I can call myself a racecar all I want, but I still have trouble jogging over 6 mph. If I really were one there would be certain criteria I would have to meet. You seem to be saying the only criteria for salvation is that you say that it is so. Kind of like your decision of what is or is not allegory in the Bible. See a pattern emerging here?
What an astounding, shocking, jaw-dropping conclusion: your faith-evaluation scorecard provides a failing grade for Catholics. Fortunately, your sadly obtuse position is a minority within the Christian faith.
“See a pattern emerging here?”
Yes—you want the equivalent of an Obama “card check” for Christians.
Circles... I’m surrounded by circles.
“Mommy! Bucky won’t answer a direct question!!!”
Say goodnight, Gordon. The thread remains for research purposes.
I’m Brian..... and so is my wife!
Just not the Bible-twisting, creation-denying, sin-mocking, Big Government Public School worshipping variety.
Certainly not the kind who carries water for the left while attacking the conservative Bible faith which shaped this country and has underpinned it for almost four centuries. (the kind all liberals attack because it takes away their cloak for sin)
What are the trees of life and the knowledge of good and evil for 500, Alex.
Ya think?
But there is an undeniable connection. You see when godless NEA liberals demanded God be removed from public screwels, that wasn't enough, it was also necessary to hide from them anything and everything that threatens their ideology, thus the need on at least one occasion to obfuscate even the knowledge of dissent being available in the library.
Think also of the stickers on textbooks explaining evolution is theory and not fact.
What place does God have in Science class?
Are you proposing an experiment that purports to measure him or detect HIS inestimable hand? Is faith not enough that you need a scientific determination on if God is?
You don't think God is greater than science? If a child begins to question his teacher about God's creation in science class, you find the need to shut him down and explain to him there's no place for God in science class? Will you demand the scientific study of prayer be squashed because of your sensitivities and insecurities also?
Just because you can't bottle him up in a jar as proof or evidence one way or the other?
And btw, faith is more than enough for me, but try to focus here, we're talking about children here, and my earlier point still stands, imagine a child early on in their development and all they hear is how at odds science is with their faith in God.
Is that your ultimate goal for students to choose between science OR faith in God/ Christianity?
Acknowledging Him isn't the same as testing him allmendream.
So that is how “God included” Science class would sound to you?
“OK, all non Christians leave the room, because we are about to discuss “Science”. Now “In the Beginning God created the heavens and the Earth”, now isn't that ‘scientific’ class?”
The place to assuage a child's faith in God is at home and at Church, not in public school science class.
And one of the reasons real science is accepted worldwide, and your “God included” science would be relegated to the benighted backwaters is that not all people in the world who wish to learn and do science share our belief in Jesus the Christ.
Science is open to all religious beliefs because religious beliefs are completely tangential to scientific evidence and experimentation.
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