Posted on 03/04/2009 7:16:11 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
==Were not the Peoples Front of Judea, were the Judean Peoples Front!
Wrong again. ICR and CRI stand for completely different Christian ministries. One was founded by Dr. Henry Morris, the other was founded by Dr. Walter Matin. One deals with Creation Science, the other deals with Christian Apologetics. Why am I not surprised that you and wormtongue can’t tell the difference?
“Youre done with me? Hardly! You lose.”
So let it be written, so let it be done. Your pronouncement of my “loss” means no more than your pronouncement of the Bible’s being allegory. And as for your personal definition of allegory to combat your detractors, freepers have access to dictionary’s my friend.
As for the “audit trail of my deception”, are you really that delusional?
You are a funny guy!
“Wrong again. ICR and CRI stand for completely different Christian ministries. One was founded by Dr. Henry Morris, the other was founded by Dr. Walter Matin. One deals with Creation Science, the other deals with Christian Apologetics. Why am I not surprised that you and wormtongue cant tell the difference?”
Don’t you have a sense of humor at all? Doesn’t any creationist appreciate the funny side? You’re just like the dour, monochrome liberals. Evolutionists would make much better talk show hosts!
The biggest lie out there is that are no transitional fossils, when there are thousands.
The typical creationist response to a new discovery is that it represents a new species, or some mutant, but it's certainly not a transitional fossil.
"It's just a monkey or gorilla or something that died out"
The same thing applies to all non-hominid fossils.
There is no fossil that could possibly be found that would fill the "missing link" void in creationst's heads. When you start from the premise that nothing can possibly be transitional, then nothing ever will be.
If you choose to pluck your eyes out, and then claim you can't see any evidence, you're absolutely right.
“And as for your personal definition of allegory...”
I never offered a definition of allegory, I assumed that was a given. Perhaps I was wrong.
And I thought you said you were done...
Instead of intentionally misrepresenting me, you need to do a bit more research.
Inflation was a period lasting from 10^-36 to 10^-32 seconds after the Big Bang. It is considered to be a special period in the overall expansion of the universe that began with the Big Bang. From NASA:
The Inflation Theory proposes a period of extremely rapid (exponential) expansion of the universe during its first few moments. It was developed around 1980 to explain several puzzles with the standard Big Bang theory, in which the universe expands relatively gradually throughout its history.
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Inflation was both rapid, and strong. It increased the linear size of the universe by more than 60 "e-folds", or a factor of ~10^26 in only a small fraction of a second! Inflation is now considered an extension of the Big Bang theory since it explains the above puzzles so well, while retaining the basic paradigm of a homogeneous expanding universe. Moreover, Inflation Theory links important ideas in modern physics, such as symmetry breaking and phase transitions, to cosmology.
From Wikipedia, which does a pretty good of explaning inflationary theory:
While the detailed particle physics mechanism responsible for inflation is not known, the basic picture makes a number of predictions that have been confirmed by observation. Inflation is thus now considered part of the standard hot big bang cosmology.In the simplest of layman's terms that I can possibly give you: Inflation was just a special split-second period in the overall expansion of the universe. You are claiming that inflation and expansion are two completely separate events. They are not.
There were other phases in the expanding universe as well. If you wish to read more technically advanced articles or advanced explanations, I will be more than happy to provide them. This isn't a hard science forum and I'm trying to keep things simple for those who do not have science backgrounds.
Finally, there are quite a few here who believe that the earth is at the exact center of the universe. They claim it is a biblical belief but no one seems able to provide chapter and verse. The universe is homogenous and isotropic. In other words, no matter where you are in the universe, it looks pretty much the same on a large scale.
The Greeks shall inherit the earth
Havin’ too much fun... I’ll look for your defense of allegory and check back in.
See you soon!
God restricted the propagation of species to its own kind. However, the Bible doesn't so much say that evolution (depending on how you define it) can't occur (in so many words) as much as it didn't occur.
The Genesis account pretty much states that the different groupings and kinds were created in different creation events, some on different days.
We have irrefutable proof that evolution is a fact. Have you not read of super bacteria which have developed resistance to antibiotics? That is evolution. There is no denying it.
According to other evos, nothing in science is ever proved, FWIW.
Evolution is not a fact. Variation within species has been, and continues to be, observed. Bacteria are still bacteria no matter what they are resistant to.
Presuming that speciation, or macro evolution occurs just because variation within species is observed is only that, a presumption. Nobody has ever seen the major species to species changes that evolutionists claim has happened that resulted in the variety of life we see today. That is only deduced from the fossil record. That in no way establishes it as a *fact*.
I certainly believe that God allowed for wide variation within the kinds He created along with a greater variety of the number of kinds themselves. Many have gone extinct, that is true. However, between those two factors, if someone is going to misinterpret the fossil evidence to read more into it than what is there, that is nothing that I can help.
“The Greeks shall inherit the earth “
We have a winner!
Um, it wasn’t a *snake* that talked to Eve. It was a serpent. And how would you know what variety or even if it exists on the earth now?
It wasn’t necessarily an apple either.
For all those interested in the kind of Christian and Scientist DallasMike is, please read the following.
DallasMike the slanderer:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2175104/posts?q=1&;page=51#85
Here is where I correct DallasMikes slander:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2175104/posts?q=1&;page=51#97
Here is where DallasMike confuses inflation with expansion, declaring that inflation has been observed since 1929! As evidence, DallasMike posts a link that actually states just the opposite, and then uses it to call the creationist author of the original article a liar.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2175104/posts?q=1&;page=201#229
Here is where I point out that his own link says just the opposite, namely that inflation is not observed, and was postulated to fix problems with the Big Bang:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2175104/posts?q=1&;page=201#237
But DallasMike keeps posting the same balderdash confusing inflation with expansion. I finally ask Mr. Scientist if he knows the difference between inflation and expansion here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2175104/posts?page=245#245
...and here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2175104/posts?page=245#246
And then DallasMike, the great Christian and scientist has the audacity to pretend like he knew the difference all along:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2175104/posts?q=1&;page=251#257
And then after fraudulantly trying to claim that he knew the difference all along, he repeats the same claim (which he now knows is a lie) all over again further down the thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2175104/posts?page=290#290
As you can see, I called DallasMike on his slander and dishonesty and it didnt make the slightest bit of difference. No apology, no repentence, just more lies and (baseless) condescension. Therefore, I want nothing to do with DallasMike.
From what I've seen, you certainly have. I went throught every post you made and every response given to you by others. The personal attacks came from other -- yet you are the one who is accused of making personal attacks. Amazing, isn't it?
Sure I did, but just to be more clear....I'm stating that there are things that God can't do. And it's based on Scripture. God Himself tells us here.....
Hebrews 6:17-19 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.
No, reality is Christ on the cross for even your sins.
OK, OK... here's what I've got...
Allegory [al-uh-gawr-ee, -gohr-ee] 1. a representation of an abstract or spiritual meaning through concrete or material forms; figurative treatment of one subject under the guise of another. 2. a symbolical narrative: the allegory of Piers Plowman. 3. emblem (def. 3).
Synonyms: 2. fable, parable.
I've stated I have no problem with allegory itself. The bible is full of parables. The problem with your premise is exactly what you say is allegory and how you come about deciding what is and what is not indeed fable(see synonyms).
1. What possible spiritual purpose does it serve for God to give us allegory pertaining to our creation?
2. How much of the Bible do you actually believe is true?
3. There are specific instances of parables or allegory in the Bible. How do you personally determine which are and are not where it is not outlined?
4. Do you believe Jesus is the only way to heaven?
5. Did Jesus really die on the cross as a substitute for our sins?
6. Was Jesus really the Son of God (in the sense He was the ONLY begotten Son of God)?
I am really interested in your answers because if I'm missing something I'm always open to learning. I have made up my mind about God, but if I'm misunderstanding your point of view I don't want to mischaracterize you.
GG
BTW... You said you were working on a proposal. What line of work are you in?
Buck, metmom is correct. God is incapaple of lying. He is incapable of sin. Why? Because both those things violate his very nature. Spiritually speaking, it's like asking a human to breathe water and remain alive. We can't do that because it violates our nature.
Similarly, there are things that God can't do that violate logic. For example, God cannot create both an immovable object and an irrestible force.
Wow. And you accept this as fact?
FWIW, The Hoatzin, a south american bird, has wing claws as juveniles. The Emu has wing claws on it's tiny, useless wings as well.
Concerning the teeth of the Archaeoteryx, there is an interesting article here with several quotes from non-creationists regarding it's alleged ancestry: http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/natural_history_2_07.html#127
Also, several other extinct birds have been discovered that had teeth, see http://www.oceansofkansas.com/marsh73.html
Turtles, considered reptiles, do not have teeth. However, snakes, lizards and alligators do have teeth.
“Similarly, there are things that God can’t do that violate logic.”
I agree with you for the most part, but some of the things God does are beyond human logic or reasoning... like being the very essence of justice yet loving me so much He forgives me for being a lousy sinner.
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