First Draft of the Neandertal Genome Sequence Released

ICR ^ | March 4, 2009 | Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D.

[TigersEye]

This face...

...could not possibly sit on this skull...

That should be obvious to anyone with the slightest sense of proportion.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[YHAOS]

”Would you be willing to be money on that?”

What? A thousand dollars of FR play dough, or what? Or, is that too much pressure? Maybe we should just make it a fiver of FR play dough. And, what’s the trick here? Are you counting on anyone who trashes Dr. Tomkins’ work to deny that there is any such animal as a Darwinian? OK, I would be five dollars of FR play dough that someone will trash Dr. Tomkins’ work except that someone already has (including you). Too bad, so sad.

[Mad Tom]

As a strong Darwinian, I have no problem with the idea that Neanderthals and modern man were the same species, and interbred recently. I think you guys are right about that. I’ve always assumed Cro Magnon interbred with Neanderthal wherever they did not exterminate them.

I also believe that Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal are both previously undocumented migrations out of the African Rift Valley, like other modern H. sapiens that migrated to Sinai and Aden in the last 100K years.

Creationists keep attacking evolution on petty details. This suggests that the larger evolutionary picture is correct.

What DO need to be filled in — with genome discoveries — are the details of recent human evolution.

Yes, there is evidence of modern-like humans alongside Neanderthal types in Spain, 800,000 years ago. I do not know what that may mean. I understand the Neanderthals were cannibalizing the “modern” humans.

[TigersEye]

I am not an evolutionist or a creationist so I don't even know which "you guys" it is you think I am. At any rate; I was simply pointing out that the face put forth by NatGeo as a Neanderthal and the skull gleaned from Wiki which is supposed to also be a Neanderthal are incompatible. Both were put forth as some kind of supporting evidence on the creationist website linked above.

The only way you could get a forehead like the one on that face on a skull like that is if you inflated the scalp with air like a basketball.

[Mad Tom]

The response format, which I haven’t yet mastered, caused me to respond to you. I meant to respond to the thread.

Sorry.

I want to reiterate that the suggestion that H. n. and H. s. DID intrebreed is NOT a setback, not a problem, for the Theory of Evolution. We are arguing about deck chairs here.

We should welcome conflicting evidence about the minute details of the Theory.

By all means, let us “follow the truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.” — Thomas Jefferson

By all means, let’s look at Evolution. Let’s “follow the truth, wherever it may lead”.

I say Darwin nailed the big picture.

[SunkenCiv]

egad! do you realize what will happen now?!? ;’)

Neanderthal genome to be unveiled: Draft sequence opens window on human relatives
Nature — 457, 645 (2009) | February 4, 2009 | Rex Dalton
Posted on 02/07/2009 8:31:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180793/posts

Neanderthals could walk again after discovery of genetic code
dailymail.co.uk | Feb. 12, 2009 | Fiona Macrae
Posted on 02/12/2009 12:35:36 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2184286/posts

A complete Neandertal mtDNA genome
Panda’s Thumb | January 6, 2009 | Jim Foley
Posted on 01/07/2009 4:22:16 PM PST by decimon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2160586/posts

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[muawiyah]

Probably not ~ ya’ gotta’ draw lines somewhere!

[whattajoke]

However, within the recent creation perspective, Neandertals and modern humans are not really separate ‘species,’ but represent different human gene pools in time and location.”

Do creationists still believe that Neandertals were just humans with rickets? Or, as the ICR creation museum said (or perhaps still says), Neandertals were just really old people who lived magically long after the flood? Of course, in 2004, Answers in Creation summarizes, "More research needs to be done to separate Neanderthal to a species distinct from Homo Sapiens. However, enough evidence is available to disprove young earth claims that Neanderthal was human."

That confuses me further... which is because I don't know what a kind is. (So far, we have spider, dog, horseshoe crab and I read about giraffe kinds in another post yesterday)

Question: When there are "different gene pools in different locations," what happens over a long period of time?

[Citizen Tom Paine]

If I am recalling correctly, the average size of Neanderthal’s brain was larger than H. Sapiens. This might implies that they were smarter than us. Lest you feel superior to Neanderthal, the average size of H. Sapiens brain has been decreasing. If you don’t believe this factoid look at the present day Congress.