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NRA forces Pelosi retreat
The Hill ^ | 03/03/09 | Mike Soraghan

Posted on 03/04/2009 6:40:30 PM PST by neverdem

Democrats may be running the House, but the National Rifle Association (NRA) can still stop a bill in its tracks.

House Democratic leaders on Tuesday pulled legislation from the floor that seemingly had nothing to do with guns because the NRA disliked it.

The bill in question would give the District of Columbia a voting member of Congress. The gun-rights lobby prefers a Senate version, which includes language amending the District’s gun policies, and some suggest the NRA could make life difficult for conservative Democrats if that language is not included in the House version.

There was no official call to arms, nothing on the NRA website, no alerts floating around. Just speculation among Democrats and Republicans that the NRA would make a procedural vote on legislation that would give the District of Columbia a voting member of Congress a “test vote.”

That means that if centrist Democrats voted with their leadership, they could lose their prized “A-ratings” from the NRA, which many consider essential to keeping their jobs in rural, Southern and Western districts. So the D.C. Voting Rights Act was pulled from consideration for Wednesday. Aides stressed that negotiations are continuing and it could be brought back soon.

The reluctance to bring the vote to the floor highlights the continuing clout of the NRA, as well as the difficulty faced by Democrats, whose majority comes from an increasing number of members elected in Republican districts.

Still, the NRA has aroused the ire of some gun-rights Democrats by appearing to tell House leaders that an amendment has to be considered. Some Blue Dogs say that amounts to telling the House how to run its business.

“The D.C. vote bill needs to pass,” said Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.), a Blue Dog gun-rights supporter who sits on the House Rules Committee. “I would have concerns about any group who would tell us how to run our House.”

The NRA’s clout was evident last week when the amendment — removing D.C.’s ban on semiautomatic weapons, its registration requirement and trigger-lock rule — was adopted by the Senate, 62-36.

Also, Democratic leaders like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) were quick to shoot down the administration’s trial balloon on bringing back the assault-weapons ban.

Supporters of the District’s voting-rights legislation predicted that a similar amendment could be kept off the House bill. As long as it were in only one version, Democratic leaders could strip it out in conference. Conference reports can’t be amended, just voted up or down, so the conference report would pass without the gun bill.

But that got complicated when word spread in the House that the NRA would “score” the procedural vote (called a “rule”) used to bring up the Voting Rights Act if it didn’t allow for a vote on the gun language. That means that voting to bring the bill to the floor would be considered a vote against gun rights.

NRA officials wouldn’t comment on whether they were scoring the bill. But Rep. Allen Boyd (D-Fla.), also a Blue Dog gun-rights supporter, said he’d “heard it mentioned they might do that. Anytime you do that, it makes it tougher.”

D.C. Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D), the House’s most passionate supporter of District voting rights, said there was no doubt in her mind why the bill was being pulled.

“Members are reacting in knee-jerk fashion to the NRA,” Norton said. “This is Democratic members doing something to kill a basic civil rights bill.”

Democratic leaders, led by House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), were put in a bind. If they allow the gun language on the bill, they would not only give the NRA a victory, they might lose the bill. Since many Republicans would vote against voting rights for the District even with gun language in the legislation, the leaders might lose enough Democrats that the whole bill would be defeated.

“If the rule passes, we might not be able to pass the bill,” Hoyer said.

He added that since Congress has given D.C. home rule, it should not be dictating its gun laws.

“That’s for them to do,” Hoyer said of D.C. officials. “On principle, this is not appropriate.”

But there are clearly Democrats who want to change D.C.’s gun policies, considered the strictest in the nation before the Supreme Court last year tossed out the city’s handgun ban.

“They want to be like the rest of America. One of the things Americans do is pay attention to Supreme Court rulings,” said Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.), a member of the House Second Amendment Task Force.

Republicans protested pulling the voting-rights legislation, saying it shows the length that Democrats will go to in order to prevent gun legislation from passing.

“By maneuvering to deny Second Amendment rights to residents of our nation’s capital, Democratic leaders have made it clear that ‘regular order’ and the will of the American people will be respected only when it serves their interests,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio).

Democrats fought similar battles in the last Congress. The D.C. gun vote was pulled in the House when Republicans tried to send the bill back to committee to add the gun language. Then the NRA and Republicans tried an election-year squeeze on Blue Dogs to get the D.C. gun language to the floor using a discharge petition. But Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) and Blue Dog leaders negotiated a compromise.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; banglist; bluedogs; nationalrifleassn; nra; pelosi
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1 posted on 03/04/2009 6:40:30 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

DC is not one of the “several states” - what part of this do they not get???


2 posted on 03/04/2009 6:42:15 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: neverdem

Oh. Politically? Darn it.


3 posted on 03/04/2009 6:42:59 PM PST by exist
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To: neverdem

Glad I just sent in my membership renewal.

JoMa


4 posted on 03/04/2009 6:44:04 PM PST by joma89
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To: xcamel

They don’t, doesn’t fit their needs.


5 posted on 03/04/2009 6:44:30 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: neverdem
The Rats (Pelosi in particular) are scared to death of getting their butts kicked in the '10 midterms. ....a repeat of '94. She will say/do anything to hang onto power.
6 posted on 03/04/2009 6:46:59 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: joma89

Me too. The NRA better fight like lions against the marxists. The gun and ammo companies are the only American companies raking in money now.


7 posted on 03/04/2009 6:47:13 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: neverdem
“The D.C. vote bill needs to pass,” said Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.), a Blue Dog gun-rights supporter who sits on the House Rules Committee. “I would have concerns about any group who would tell us how to run our House.”

That's the problem in a nutshell right there. That idiot has forgotten that it's the people's house, not theirs! They're supposed to be representatives of the people, not their rulers! The S.O.3. should be run out of town!

8 posted on 03/04/2009 6:47:47 PM PST by StonyMan451
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To: neverdem
He added that since Congress has given D.C. home rule, it should not be dictating its gun laws.

“That’s for them to do,” Hoyer said of D.C. officials. “On principle, this is not appropriate.”

But it's OK to ignore that inconvenient Constitution thingy, that doesn't allow DC this kind of representation, isn't it, Hoyer?

So if they pass this bill for quasi-statehood for DC - including the gun law that the NRA supports - and subsequently the statehood bill is found to be unconstitutional and repealed, does the more relaxed gun law in DC get repealed at the same time?

9 posted on 03/04/2009 6:48:28 PM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: neverdem

Well played Conservatives and Gun Rights Activists!..


10 posted on 03/04/2009 6:50:48 PM PST by JSDude1 (R(epublicans) In Name Only SUCK; D(emocrats) In Name Only are worth their weight..)
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To: xcamel

If they can legislate the second amendment away, why not Artical 1, Sections 2 and 3?

After all, whose government do THEY think it is any way.


11 posted on 03/04/2009 6:50:50 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: xcamel
DC is not one of the “several states” - what part of this do they not get???

Since when do Liberals give a damn about the Constitution? Sometimes they use it as a tool, but generally they would just as likely implement their agenda without it.

As for this bill, it's fun to see the Democrats stuck between a rock and a hard place. If it includes the Ensign Amendment, Liberals won't vote for it. If it doesn't include it, Blue Dogs won't vote it. In either case, the bill wouldn't get a majority and so would fail.

Apparently, DC wants to give Eleanor Holmes Norton a promotion, even if it means blatantly violating the Constitution, but not at the cost of obeying the Second Amendment. DC says it wants to be treated as a State, but, unlike any State, it wants to be exempt from having to obey it.

12 posted on 03/04/2009 6:53:00 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: neverdem

This whole bill is a dodge. Its unconstiutional on many levels. The dems are playin us.


13 posted on 03/04/2009 6:53:09 PM PST by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: exist

Nice imagery comes to mind with the headline, no?


14 posted on 03/04/2009 6:55:28 PM PST by beagleone
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To: neverdem
“Members are reacting in knee-jerk fashion to the NRA,” Norton said. “This is Democratic members doing something to kill a basic civil rights bill.”

Here's a hint, Mizz Norton: firearms ownership is a "basic civil right."

15 posted on 03/04/2009 6:55:54 PM PST by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: willgolfforfood
So if they pass this bill for quasi-statehood for DC - including the gun law that the NRA supports - and subsequently the statehood bill is found to be unconstitutional and repealed, does the more relaxed gun law in DC get repealed at the same time?

No. The Ensign Amendment contains an exemption from the bill's nonseverability clause.

16 posted on 03/04/2009 6:56:00 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: neverdem

BTTT


17 posted on 03/04/2009 6:56:11 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: neverdem

The Framers did not want the capitol to have the direct ability to influence congress. DC is traditionally democratic, I can’t understand why. Democrats are irked that they aren’t getting their collective way; again.


18 posted on 03/04/2009 6:56:37 PM PST by ronnyquest ("That's what governments are for, to get in a man's way." -- Malcolm Reynolds)
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To: neverdem

This is one of those times where the NRA has come out ahead by supporting democrat gun rights supporters.

Thanks NRA.


19 posted on 03/04/2009 6:57:03 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: AbeLincoln
Honest, Abe, that was a slam-dunk.

What you just so eloquently stated is exactly what I have been telling, telephoning, writing, and emailing my elected officials for years: “You are not paid to lead me; you are paid to represent me.” These clowns need to be reminded every payday that they are temp workers and we are the Company they work for.

20 posted on 03/04/2009 6:58:01 PM PST by shoutingandpointing (Our enemy is at the center of our donut munching its way outward to the big empty that lies beyond.)
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