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To: cothrige
You either grant credence to sodomites or you don't. Which is it? Keep in mind that you have to pay higher insurance premiums, higher taxes to pay for treatment/research for hiv/aids (we already spend more per patient on aids treatment than heart disease, diabetes, cancer, or any other health issue...

Besides, Nobody wants to lock them up as long as they stay in the privacy of their own bedrooms, It's when they lead each other down the street on dog collars with no clothes on, or when they prance around in the bushes at the local parks and such.

For all I care they can gang up down at the local bath house and work alive on each other like maggots spreading deadly STDs, as long as I don't have to pay for it, or be forced to stand in front of a diversity tribunal and lose my job for opposing and speaking out against it, or for refusing to accept it as normal behavior taught to children.

80 posted on 03/05/2009 11:56:08 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
Besides, Nobody wants to lock them up as long as they stay in the privacy of their own bedrooms, It's when they lead each other down the street on dog collars with no clothes on, or when they prance around in the bushes at the local parks and such.

In most communities it is already illegal to walk around naked in public. And if you and your community wish to pass an ordinance or law against wearing dog collars, nobody is stopping you. And prancing in bushes sounds rather vague, but I am sure whatever is meant by "prancing" could be actionable as well, if the people wished to make it so.

I think it is important to remember that libertarian doesn't include anything that any libertarian might like or hold to. Libertarianism is nothing but supporting limited government and personal liberty. It doesn't actually include some people's ideas that no government should exist at all, or that cities should have no rules on public behaviour. Just because some libertarian person supports such a thing doesn't mean it is, strictly speaking, libertarian, any more than being a racist is conservative. Communities have every right to pass laws on public behaviour which can affect people living in those areas. People who argue against that are not libertarian, they are anarchists.

Now, I don't think the federal government has any place to act on any of this. I also think that local governments can overstep good sense, or individual rights, if not careful. But, public nakedness, drunkenness, or even "prancing in bushes" don't seem like basic rights to me.

For all I care they can gang up down at the local bath house and work alive on each other like maggots spreading deadly STDs, as long as I don't have to pay for it, or be forced to stand in front of a diversity tribunal and lose my job for opposing and speaking out against it, or for refusing to accept it as normal behavior taught to children.

But, that is libertarianism. Consider that everything you mention is enforced by the government? It is government that would operate that tribunal. It is government that would censor you as "intolerant" or for engaging in "hate speech." It is government that would make you pay for the medical care for these people. It is the government that would teach it to your kids. Libertarians would get government out of schools, public speech, our jobs, our doctor's offices and anywhere else they don't explicitly belong.

81 posted on 03/05/2009 12:42:42 PM PST by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Your comments are some of the best on FR.


93 posted on 03/05/2009 10:06:24 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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