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To: cothrige
"If you support the constitution, as it is written, you are libertarian. It is a libertarian document".

Our "libertarian" founding fathers would be appalled at the disingenuous sophistry of the modern libertarians idea of liberty. Freedom was never intended to be a trophy for perverts, reprobates, degenerates, et, al. Sodomy was a capital crime, Pornography wasn't considered "free speech" and they all encouraged prayer in schools. Moral relativism and revisionist history are the cornerstones of modern libertarians.

33 posted on 03/03/2009 2:12:59 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
Our "libertarian" founding fathers would be appalled at the disingenuous sophistry of the modern libertarians idea of liberty. Freedom was never intended to be a trophy for perverts, reprobates, degenerates, et, al.

This is an exaggeration based on nothing. Libertarianism is not about perversion. Yes, there are libertarians who subscribe to odd behaviours, but there are such people in any group. And yes many perverts, especially public ones, are libertarian, for obvious reasons. But, that does not mean that the opposite is true and that libertarians are also perverts.

Libertarianism has nothing to do with any morality, but with smaller government. And I am smart enough to know that if while I am in the majority I allow the government to legislate who you can have sex with then eventually there will be enough of you to legislate who I can have sex with. I don't like that. And this country has been full of perverts for years now, and that is under non-libertarian governments. Instead of blaming libertarians for sodomy, drugs and abortions perhaps you should take credit for that yourself. I seem to recall a rather long period when Republicans were in power and all they managed to do was expand the size of government exponentially. And yet there still seems there are an awful lot of drugs, gay sex and abortions everywhere one looks. Nice job taking care of all that.

Moral relativism and revisionist history are the cornerstones of modern libertarians.

Libertarians are historical revisionists? Just see my point above, or even look at your school in prayer issue. You blame that on libertarians, but they have had nothing to do with it. The entire argument is founded in the monopoly of state schools, and that is something that libertarians have always fought against. And while we have struggled to free our youth from government indoctrination camps what have you and yours done? The "conservatives," upon ascending to power, not only tightened the state grip on education, but took it massively federal with the incredibly unconstitutional NCLB. Another good job from pseudo-conservatives. And you blame libertarians for taking prayer out of school? Talk about revisionist history. If it were up to libertarians you would be totally free to raise your children with the morals you hold dear and so could your neighbours. It is statism that has caused our moral decay and I promise you it will not now cure it.

35 posted on 03/03/2009 2:51:33 PM PST by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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