What’s wrong with Darwinism? ( From Tony Campolo, Bill Clinton's spiritual adviser)

Christianity Today ^ | Feb 27,2009 | Tony Campolo

[Jaime2099]

If a day is not a literal day, but however long God says it’s a day, then you’re definition of “literal” is utterly meaningless.

God said a day and I think it is a day. How is that not literal?

A “day” is either literal or it’s not. A “minute” means either 60 seconds, or it’s not literal.

If God said it took a day for Him to create something, then that's how long it took. I cannot say for certain that a day to God is 24 hours, but if I had to guess I would say so. That is literal.

If you think a day can mean a billion years, you’re coming over to my side, but don’t pretend that you’re reading the words literally.

It could be a day to God was a billion years, I'm not sure. God is not bound by our rules of time. But if you think I've come one step closer to your belief in Human Evolution then are not reading a single word I'm typing or you're delusional. The literal Genesis will stand true for all time, and will never fail. The atheistic, phony, descriptive science of Human Evolution will never be anything more than a bastard religion.

[SuziQ]

I never knew those things about Darwin! Just think, That One wouldn’t be considered of worth by Charles Darwin! I wonder if HE’S ever read the full on Darwin.

[Dog Gone]

No, you’ve come closer to my position that the words of Genesis are not literal. You’ve conceded that a day might be 24 hours or it might be a billion years.

I don’t believe that you will ever accept evolution as fact, perhaps not even if got a fax from God saying that’s how He did it.

[Jaime2099]

No, you’ve come closer to my position that the words of Genesis are not literal. You’ve conceded that a day might be 24 hours or it might be a billion years.

Genesis is 100% literal, every single word of it. Simply because I am uncertain as to God's time in a day at the beginning of time does not make Genesis non literal in anyway. Keep dreaming.

I take great joy in the fact that I will never accept the phony, made up, science religion of Human Evolution. All you have are silly word games, you have nothing to stand on. You believe in an inexact science founded by atheists who were desperate to find an anti-Bible fable to rival the Christian story. There is no proof, no fossils, and no sound theory that could hold up to testing, nothing. You don't even have ancient documents. Human Evolutionists have absolutely nothing but an empty faith in nothing.

I don’t believe that you will ever accept evolution as fact, perhaps not even if got a fax from God saying that’s how He did it.

Your short and pointless responses are getting old. Saying only a few words in your post does not make you seem less common or superior, it gives the appearance that you are ignorant.

[Dog Gone]

This is the first I’ve heard that there are no fossils. I thought I had a whole cabinet full of them.

But you do have an interesting take on Genesis. You admit that you don’t know what the words mean, but insist they are literal.

They mean what they say except you don’t know what they mean. That’s not entirely logically inconsistent, but it’s pretty close.

I’m perfectly fine with you thinking I’m ignorant if that makes you feel better. My understanding of God, the universe, and how things came to be, is important and personal to me and is unlikely to be affected by your judgment of me.

By the way, ancient documents exist and are not “owned” by either side of the debate. They are evidence just like everything else we can observe.

You apparently believe that no Christian can accept evolution, or that any who do, are not really Christians. So the Vatican is evil and all that.

You’ve found a nice little corner that you’ve painted yourself into, and you’re happy there. I’m fine with that.

And it doesn’t matter what I think, anyway. I’m ignorant.

[magritte]

You just proved Dog Gone’s point with this post...very scary stuff...magritte

[Uri’el-2012]

DG>Science is dead here at FR. People like you are the reason why.

Your view of science may be dead, but true science is more than alive...

Consider reviewing Gerald Schroeder Ph.D "Genesis and the big Bang"

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

[Jaime2099]

This is the first I’ve heard that there are no fossils. I thought I had a whole cabinet full of them.

Go look at the National Geographic thread, those fossils are a joke and do nothing to prove Human Evolution.

But you do have an interesting take on Genesis. You admit that you don’t know what the words mean, but insist they are literal. They mean what they say except you don’t know what they mean. That’s not entirely logically inconsistent, but it’s pretty close.

I have no idea why you think that is so hard to understand. It is a perfectly legitimate stance and does not make Genesis non literal.

I’m perfectly fine with you thinking I’m ignorant if that makes you feel better. My understanding of God, the universe, and how things came to be, is important and personal to me and is unlikely to be affected by your judgment of me.

This reply was much better, some people here (and many other places) post only a few words simply to give the appearance that they are superior or are above someone else.

By the way, ancient documents exist and are not “owned” by either side of the debate. They are evidence just like everything else we can observe.

I agree that they exist, but the Bible is an ancient document that is the foundation of Christianity. Human Evolutionists have no ancient documents supporting their belief whatsoever.

You apparently believe that no Christian can accept evolution, or that any who do, are not really Christians. So the Vatican is evil and all that.You’ve found a nice little corner that you’ve painted yourself into, and you’re happy there. I’m fine with that.

Not true, people can be deceived as is the case with a Christian that believes in Human Evolution. I think many of them don't even realize that by believing Human Evolution that they are calling God's word a lie. It's comfortable (especially in intellectual and academic circles) to believe in Human Evolution. If one were to reject it, their peers would surely reject them as well. It's a difficult place for many people.

I'm not in a corner, I'm in the truth and quite happy to be there. I refuse to believe a theory founded and endorsed by brainiac atheists over the words of my God. God trumps a wimpy, bias, descriptive science every time. He said it in Genesis, and I believe, literally.

[Jaime2099]

You just proved Dog Gone’s point with this post...very scary stuff...magritte

Proved his point, what a laugh that was. Human Evolution is scary, I agree. I do what I can to open people's eyes but in the end it's up to them what they believe and what they do not believe.

[Dog Gone]

We are not calling God’s word a lie. You have admitted countless times on this thread that you don’t even know what He meant, so how you can defend your stance that anyone who argues against your interpretation is wrong or at least deceived, WHEN YOU DON’T EVEN HAVE ONE, is fundamentally absurd.

Fossils are a joke. That’s your mindset. And you assert that science is not dead on FR.

I’ll go play with my plastic fossils that Satan created to deceive me.

Or maybe I’ll just deal with reality and not engage in the crazy notion that “words mean things, except that they really don’t, but they’re still literal.”

[SeaHawkFan]

Campolo is an arrogant man who chastises those will wealth because they have been successful without even knowing how much a person actually gives away to the church without fanfare.

And even though he is a socialist, he does get some things right; including this article. His Sermon “It’s Friday...but Sunday’s coming” is a glorious message of Jesus Christ and Salvation through Him.

[SeaHawkFan]

or turns Him into an indulgent Dutch Uncle.

Indulgent Dutch Uncle? Isn't that an oxymoron?

[Jaime2099]

We are not calling God’s word a lie.

If you believe in Human Evolution, then, yes you are.

Fossils are a joke. That’s your mindset. And you assert that science is not dead on FR.

That is pure babble and you know it. The fossils Human Evolutionists attempt to use as proof are a joke. Not every fossil that exists.

I’ll go play with my plastic fossils that Satan created to deceive me.

Or maybe I’ll just deal with reality and not engage in the crazy notion that “words mean things, except that they really don’t, but they’re still literal.”

You cannot deny that it is possible that a day to God in Genesis is a million or billion years. It is also possible a day is 24 hours and He made these galaxies visible because he willed it so. It is still a day either way, because God said it was day. What is a day in the eyes of God? That is another question entirely. Whatever the answer, either way, it aids Human Evolution in no way.

These words are a discussion of God and time not the literal Genesis. Diversion will not work, Human Evolution is a false religion and nothing will ever change that. The literal Genesis will live on for all eternity and God's words will never be proven false. Genesis' creation story is literal now and forever.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[oldmanreedy]

Oh, this is beautiful, this is hilarious. First I learn that Jeffrey Dahmer's dad was a creationist, and now some Clintonite booger. And not just any random booger, but Clinton's spiritual advisor. I think I'd rather have 'porn star' on my resume than guru to Slick Willy. Who's next on the creationist hit parade? Zodiac Killer and Terry McAuliffe?