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Cutting off your news to spite your face
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/26/9 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 02/26/2009 7:58:18 AM PST by SmithL

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To: SmithL
A very disappointing column from Debra J. Saunders -- though you can forgive her some bitterness, since its her job that's about to swirl down the toilet.

But, still, that's no excuse for this kind of self-pity...

To produce news, you need professionals who understand the standards needed to research, report and write on what happened. If newspapers die, reliable information dries up.

Debra, your "professionals" have morphed into dishonest propagandists, with no interest in the truth if it reflects poorly on Democrats. They haven't provided "reliable" information in decades -- so what if they dry up?

121 posted on 02/26/2009 9:41:00 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"I'm sure the death of the old newspapers will have unintended consequences, but I don't care. I hate those bastards."

I agree, and I hate them too. Why the hell not, they've made their careers out of hating me. In my entire life, I've never once read or heard the term "left wing extremist" from the print or broadcast media.

122 posted on 02/26/2009 9:41:20 AM PST by VR-21 ("If it's a vision of the future you want...")
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To: Irish Queen
The Bachelor Boys (3 wild mustangs) left their calling cards on our driveway and lawn again this morning.

I hope that Sweet [barefoot] Hubby, a) didn't step in any of the calling cards, and b) picked up the correct horse manure...

123 posted on 02/26/2009 9:42:44 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 37 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Fresh Wind
The editorial page should be somewhere in the middle of the paper. It should not be the front page.

I think that is the quote of the day.

124 posted on 02/26/2009 9:46:14 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon drama at a time!)
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To: SmithL

Ms. Saunders,

While you, personally, are fairer to conservative Americans than most of your peers, the notion that reliable information comes only from newspapers is riotously hilarious to those of us who pay attention. Journalism, with the (for now) exception of sports, abandoned the pursuit of “who, what, when, where and why?” a long time ago.

The ideological demographics of J-school grads aside, I really don’t see how alienating 40% of a potential clientele is good business for anyone. Further, when I could potentially fail a “Pepsi Challenge” between a newspaper’s political reporting and the Myspace blog of my friend’s 14-year-old daughter, the problem is the product.

Add to this the infuriating bias and condescending errors of omission (they’re more plausibly deniable, after all), and I wouldn’t buy most newspapers to use as a pillow on the subway - especially when that money is needed to pay mortgages for “homeowners” with far larger TVs than mine on which to watch THEIR news.

That said, no one wants to see you lose your jobs - but it won’t be the first time someone learned a lesson far too late to apply it in time.

Regards,

A frustrated “blue-state” taxpayer


125 posted on 02/26/2009 9:53:49 AM PST by Libertarian4Bush (let's all afford "mr obama" the same respect the left afforded president bush)
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To: Luke21
I swear you could take a course on drywalling and have to recite or refute multicultural drivel.

Dunno. But you will need to learn Spanish, else you won't be able to communicate with your co-workers...

126 posted on 02/26/2009 9:54:36 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 37 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: null and void

Stealing it? That just leaves me an unpaid expert....

It would be so easy to put me in both categories, if you’d just send me all your money! ;^)


This message heartily approved by the ‘Democrat’ Party. /sarc


127 posted on 02/26/2009 9:55:14 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: mo
They both sold the world a steaming pile of ma^&*%

Is it only a coinky-dink the manure and entrepreneur rhyme?

128 posted on 02/26/2009 9:57:20 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 37 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
LOL! I just made my last mortgage payment.

If I actually, like, you know, had any money, I'd make March's mortgage payment first...

129 posted on 02/26/2009 10:00:56 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 37 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: DFG
Saunders is extremely conservative compared to the rest of SF.

No doubt Hubert Humphrey and George McGovern would seem so too. I remember her pseudo-conservative posturing and anti-gun rantings when she wrote for the Los Angeles Daily News here in southern California.

130 posted on 02/26/2009 10:01:09 AM PST by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

I saw the journalists in training use the student paper to try to oust the seated student council (who didn’t even hold much power on campus) on phony charges of incompetence (when they held letters in hand that absolved the student council of any error in a botched event). They ran the letters AFTER the student election (and the existing council was largely reseated anyway).

That was decades ago. The tactics haven’t changed.

Lies by omission are lies too.

“Tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and NOTHING BUT the truth.”

Media puts forth a false recording of history. They are rightfully shunned into bankruptcy.


131 posted on 02/26/2009 10:06:20 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Do you know the website number?" - VP Joe Biden)
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To: SmithL
You can look him up on the columnist page, but the Management here requested that I stop posting his rants.

I wish the management would relent on that request for particularly vitriolic Morford fits.

132 posted on 02/26/2009 10:14:20 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Do you know the website number?" - VP Joe Biden)
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To: The Enlightener

Newspapers are an outmoded concept anyway. The news is 12-36 hours old before it sees print in the newspaper anyway.

And home delivery? You don’t even find home delivery of milk these days.

Ad rates (from fraudulently boosted circulation figures) are what keep newspapers in business.

Who needs a daily ad-zine that you have to pay for? They mail those out for free to people who want them.

Local news can be covered in 1 or 2 editions of a weekly or semi-weekly publication.


133 posted on 02/26/2009 10:17:41 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Do you know the website number?" - VP Joe Biden)
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To: VR-21

Bill Ayers was not a left wing extremist. He is a rehabilitated activist who made some “mistakes” as a youth (none of which he regrets).


134 posted on 02/26/2009 10:19:24 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Do you know the website number?" - VP Joe Biden)
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To: a fool in paradise
Local news can be covered in 1 or 2 editions of a weekly or semi-weekly publication.

And real investigative reporting is far more likely in the various weekly papers.

135 posted on 02/26/2009 10:25:28 AM PST by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: a fool in paradise
"Bill Ayers was not a left wing extremist. He is a rehabilitated activist who made some “mistakes” as a youth (none of which he regrets)."

BO's name would fit nicely in that sentence.

Seriously, have you ever read or heard that term? I'm 57, and I swear I haven't, and I remember the Chicago Seven trial.

136 posted on 02/26/2009 10:43:50 AM PST by VR-21 ("If it's a vision of the future you want...")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What you said.


137 posted on 02/26/2009 10:58:08 AM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: null and void
RE: #87 "The Bachelor Boys (3 wild mustangs) left their calling cards on our driveway and lawn again this morning."

Null and Void's reply: I hope that Sweet [barefoot] Hubby, a) didn't step in any of the calling cards, and b) picked up the correct horse manure...

My response: I really appreciate your droll sense of humor. Happy trails, Irish Queen

138 posted on 02/26/2009 10:58:16 AM PST by Irish Queen (Down the road a piece from Breakaheart Road and Misfit Flats)
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To: SmithL
If newspapers die, reliable information dries up

As someone who has never seen an accurate and in-context quote, who has attended events and read the newspaper account afterward (which made me check to see if they thought they were in the same place at the same time I was), I can safely assert that the writer has the above statement bassackwards.

If the information is complete and accurate, you will sell papers. That will sell ad space, which will keep the paper off life-support and going on its own.

Otherwise, if I want to sell something, I can place an ad in a local free-distribution marketplace tabloid or go for targeted advertising mags and reach far more people for the money.

Who What Where When Why....and don't butcher the quotes to suit an agenda, just report, we'll decide.

139 posted on 02/26/2009 10:59:20 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SmithL
So to those of you who argue that the demise of liberal newspapers (The Chronicle in particular) is deserved, I offer a caveat: Be careful what you wish for.

Because then we won't have any watchdogs keeping an eye on the government and powerful interests on behalf of society, presumably?

I'm sorry Ms. Saunders, but the overwhelming majority of your media compatriots abdicated that responsibility a while ago. Sure, they will still enforce it on the people they harbor deep personal loathing for (such as George Bush), but otherwise they're basically little more than pro-government shills that have no real credibility with most of us.

More like-minded people in the press such as yourself and Bernard Goldberg should have had the courage to speak with much more vigor a while ago, but it's too late now.

140 posted on 02/26/2009 11:14:30 AM PST by jpl (Help us Obambi Wan Kenobi, you're our only dope.)
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