Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: MHGinTN; txrangerette
“He was born on American soil, thus a natural born citizen.” The words of the men who wrote the Constitution do not agree with your assessment.

txrangerette is right.

Natural born citizen is a special category for defining a person born of TWO American citizen parents. There is still discussion as to whether such a child of TWO American citizen parents has to be born on U.S. soil.

LOL. Only in your own mind. Supreme Court has ruled definitely on this over a century ago 100% opposite to your claim. Born in USA suffices to be a natural born citizen.

It's funny how the more wrong people are on FR, the more stubborn they are in their wrongness.

227 posted on 02/26/2009 7:43:57 PM PST by WOSG (tagline is now unemployed due to Obama economy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 206 | View Replies ]


To: WOSG; BP2; Beckwith
You cannot even show with unclouded documentation that he was born in the U.S.A. And the honorable Congressional representative, John Bingham, who did so much to author the fourteenth amendment dealing with 'citizenship' (though he commented on natural born citizenship in congressional debate) spoke in stark contrast to your arrogant assertion (did you ever find that ice for that massive nasty chip you carry?). Here are a few sources to help you clear your mind ... I'm pinging the ones who compiled the excellent files from which the following are lifted:

The term “natural born citizen” has NEVER been defined in the U.S. Constitution or in codified U.S. law. However …

“At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.’ Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168.”

Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:

" ... I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents [plural, meaning two] not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen..." (http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx)

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark's importance is that it is the first case decided by the Supreme Court that attempts to explain the meaning of "natural born citizen" under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Natural born citizen is similiar to the meaning of what a natural born subject is under Common Law in England. That is one of the reasons why the framers specifically included a grandfather clause (natural born Citizen OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution).
The founding fathers knew that in order to be president, they had to grandfather themselves in because they were British subjects. If they didn't, they could not be President of the U.S. The holding in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark states that Wong Kim Ark is a native born citizen. If you look at the fact of Wong Kim Ark being born in San Francisco, CA, that holding is correct.

Perkins v. Elg's importance is that it actually gives examples of what a Citizen of the U.S. is; what a native born American Citizen is; and what a natural born citizen of the U.S. is. A natural born citizen is a person who is born of two U.S. citizen parents AND born in the mainland of U.S.
What is a natural born citizen of the U.S.? To be one as defined under U.S. Supreme Court case law and the English Common Law adopted by the U.S., you have to be born of two U.S. citizen parents AND born in the U.S. mainland (I am not in agreement with the 'born on the mainland, but we will continue).

Congress many has tried to change the meaning of natural born citizen, as early as the 1790 Nationality Act and 26 times the bill has been defeated, repealed or ruled unconstitutional. The meaning of what natural born citizen is what it is. Regardless of what people in the mainstream media and in our federal government try to do, they still can't change the fact of the meaning of what a natural born citizen is. What is occurring right now is straight up a coup de'tat seeking to destroy the Constitution as we know it.

228 posted on 02/27/2009 9:20:17 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 227 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson