Posted on 02/23/2009 10:05:02 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
Please show me one that holds differently. I won't hold my breath.
Try these:
http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/
http://www.conservapedia.com/Intelligent_design
http://www.answers.com/topic/intelligent-design
Remember, I am not an ID adherant. The readings I mentioned are diverse and either in print or articles from various news sources. Do not expect me to archive every tenet of every belief system out there.
Do you always argue this way? I never once said that there were many ID sites that did not support evolution. Find one post where I said this. When you cannot, apologize.
http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/
“If evolution is defined as “change over time,” then clearly one can believe in God and evolution because God could have directed the change.”
http://www.answers.com/topic/intelligent-design
Nowhere does this say man was ‘created’ not evolved/designed.
“The assertion or belief that physical and biological systems observed in the universe result from purposeful design by an intelligent being rather than from chance or undirected natural processes.”
OK. Please cite what you have read!
"From what I have read, there are many threads within the ID community."
Not at all. I am just asking you to back you one tenet. That ID does not support that man evolved over millions of years.
Doesn't say how he created the heaven and earth.
Doesn't say He did via anything like evolution.
Doesn’t say anything about radiation but I hope you believe in radiation.
Doesn’t say he didn’t.
Great news!
By the way, please add me to your ping list, thanks!
Evolution in progress.
Thanks for the ping!
Done! Welcome aboard the HMS Creation :o)
And it doesn't say anything about first tying your shoes before going off for the day, because if you don't, you might trip and fall.
There, glad that's all settled!
So why does it have to be mutually exclusive? I doubt that ancient Hebrew even had a word for evolution and that created could have easily meant a slow rather than an abracadabra process.
However, creation is not constrained by time or process.
Because of the end purpose. If humans are accidents of nature, evolved from primordial soup, then we are not in need of redemption. God created man for His great purpose, man subsequently fell from grace and needed to be redeemed. We alone hold this unique position in all of the known universe.
You need to shut down your transmitter long enough for your receiver to function. The debate in this thread is not about whether man spontaneously arose from the primordial soup, it is about the validity of the catholic Churches endorsement of Theistic Evolution. The main point being that God using the laws of science that He created does not diminish the miraculous nature of His creations. If you are so hung up on the time the process took just remember that God created space and time and the relationships between them, but if you would prefer card tricks........
What an eloquent way to influence people and persuade them to your point of view. BTW, my receiver is functioning quite well.
The debate in this thread is not about whether man spontaneously arose from the primordial soup, it is about the validity of the catholic Churches endorsement of Theistic Evolution.
How wonderful it is that we have you to come along and tell us what we are discussing. Not one person on this thread had a clue until you deigned to drop by. Thank you for enlightening us wee simple folk.
Now, to enlighten you, the Catholic church's endorsement was not even mentioned in the article. The article was from the Institute for Creation Research.
The main point being that God using the laws of science that He created does not diminish the miraculous nature of His creations.
You must actually read the article in question and the ensuing thread. This was not in question. What was in question, at least my salient point, was that Christianity and evolution are mutually exclusive.
If you are so hung up on the time the process took just remember that God created space and time and the relationships between them,
This is truly asanine. I am not 'hung up' on time. God's word specifically states God created heaven and the Earth. His revelation to Moses was each time period used for significant events was a 24 hour period. This is for man's reasoning. Whether the Almighty used 24 actual hours to do one thing or another is entirely His business, but He revealed a time period that was put into the account of creation. What I find more poignant is that there were those significant events and they were grouped according to some category of creation. The time thing is merely a side note, as far as I am concerned, and not a litmus test for salvation. What is fundamental though, is the difference between a created being and an accident.
but if you would prefer card tricks......
Truly a dizzying intellect.
So if God didn't employ the processes He created, how do you describe the process of "creation". Does it have to look like pulling a rabbit out of a hat to pass your divine litmus test?
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