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Recent Human Variation Is Not Evolution (evidence points to recent creation)
ICR ^ | February 23, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 02/23/2009 10:05:02 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: ColdWater
Doesn't ID also say that life first formed in pools of scum and that man evolved from these early life forms over billions of years?

Not that I am aware of.

I am a Creationist, if that is what you are driving at.

101 posted on 02/23/2009 11:47:24 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon
Evolution dictates the means by which man has emerged as random.

You have already admitted that you cannot tell the difference between God's punishment by natural disaster and random natural disastors so how can you define that evotion is random? Why do you know more about events before you life than events occuring during your life that you can observe?

102 posted on 02/23/2009 11:48:24 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
I will try again. Is Intelligent Design theory consistent with your viewpoints on man's creation?

I would have to read more on the ID movement. So, I cannot say what specifically we agree upon.

What is your point?

103 posted on 02/23/2009 11:48:57 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon
Not that I am aware of.

Well you are aware of it now. Given that you have been made aware, is ID consistent with your points of view?

104 posted on 02/23/2009 11:49:32 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: rjsimmon
I am a Creationist, if that is what you are driving at.

Then you, by definition, believe the ID theory to be false?

105 posted on 02/23/2009 11:51:06 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: docbnj

because it was not even discovered until long after his death.

Which makes criticism of Darwinism based on DNA rather silly.


106 posted on 02/23/2009 11:54:32 AM PST by Ender Wiggin
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To: ColdWater
You have already admitted that you cannot tell the difference between God's punishment by natural disaster and random natural disastors so how can you define that evotion is random? Why do you know more about events before you life than events occuring during your life that you can observe?

Are you trying to catch me in an inconsistency based upon some concept you have? You will find none as I use the Word of God as basis for theological discussions.

I am not using it as scientific proof, since that is not what the book was intended for.

Also, I have admitted to no such thing. You have implied this by by-passing b when going from a to z. I have said that humans cannot always tell the difference unless they repent and turn to God. I have done this. Now I see many things from His perspective. Do I see His hand in all natural disasters? No, of course not. I am not the intended target of His wrath. Does everyone in the path of a tornado die? No. Since I cannot see into the heart of a man, I cannot presuppose to know where he stands with God. However, the Word also says that God causes the rain to fall on the righteous and the unrighteous.

107 posted on 02/23/2009 11:55:40 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: ColdWater
Then you, by definition, believe the ID theory to be false?

Point out what it is in ID that you have stuck in your craw and we can discuss it. Otherwise, drop this line, it is pointless.

108 posted on 02/23/2009 11:56:39 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon

4) of transformations

What sort of transformations did the Hebrew word include?

How did the Hebrew word mean “shape”?

What “new conditions and circumstances” are included?

What sort of miracles? Are there limits on the size or frequency or type of miracles?

I’m not that familiar with Hebrew.


109 posted on 02/23/2009 11:57:13 AM PST by Ender Wiggin
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To: rjsimmon
Are you trying to catch me in an inconsistency based upon some concept you have?

Not trying. Did catch you. You said you could not tell which events were random or part of God's plan but you say that evolution is random thus not part of God's plan. Smoked.

110 posted on 02/23/2009 11:58:20 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: docbnj
My never-humble opinion: the creationist line on this is completely looney.

Not only that, but it turns people with brains away from God.

111 posted on 02/23/2009 11:58:56 AM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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To: rjsimmon
Point out what it is in ID that you have stuck in your craw and we can discuss it. Otherwise, drop this line, it is pointless.

I did point it out to you earlier in #97.

112 posted on 02/23/2009 11:59:56 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: Ender Wiggin
I’m not that familiar with Hebrew.

There are 278 uses of the word "create", specifically "bara". I would have to do more thorough research to get your answers. My apologies for not having them readily available.

113 posted on 02/23/2009 12:02:48 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon

http://sciencereligionnews.blogspot.com/2007/06/three-reviews-of-michael-behes-new-id.html


114 posted on 02/23/2009 12:02:50 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts
1. McAuliffe, K. March 2009. Are We Still Evolving? Discover. 50-58.

Wow. You don't see Discover magazine referenced in many scientific articles.

115 posted on 02/23/2009 12:03:35 PM PST by Moonman62 (I didn't compromise my soul to be popular. -- Jimmy Carter)
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To: ColdWater
I did point it out to you earlier in #97.

You asked if ID posits that man came from a pond of scum. I have no idea if ID says this. Point out from an ID site where this is professed, otherwise, it is a misconception on your part or something you heard second/third hand.

116 posted on 02/23/2009 12:05:14 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: ColdWater
Prov 16:33 The dice are cast into the lap, but every result is from the Lord.

Anybody who thinks that “random” in any way entails “out of God's control” or “not part of God's plan” isn't reading or comprehending what the Bible has to say on the subject, and placing a rather silly restriction on the power of omnipotence.

117 posted on 02/23/2009 12:07:17 PM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: ColdWater

I have visited this site, though only briefly. Please give me the specific page that says ID posits that man was designed from pond scum?


118 posted on 02/23/2009 12:10:00 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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To: rjsimmon

http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf


119 posted on 02/23/2009 12:14:44 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
So, you are going from a review of Dr. Behe to a court judgement?

Give me a page #, at the very least.

120 posted on 02/23/2009 12:21:49 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-13)
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