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Red Flags in Credit Markets (Capitalism DeathWatchâ„¢)
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Posted on 02/23/2009 9:23:23 AM PST by quesney

Red lights are flashing in the credit market again.

The revival in risk appetite seen at the start of the year is fading as long-awaited government bailout plans have failed to materialise. The common thread is renewed pressure in a banking system already severely weakened by 18 months of financial markets turmoil. Governments are running out of time to stop the rot before the credit crisis takes another lurch for the worse.

First, consider the spread between U.S. dollar Libor, the rate for interbank lending, and the overnight indexed swap rate, which captures expectations for official interest rates. The spread narrowed sharply from October's peak of 366 basis points to a low of around 90 basis points in January. But now the spread has risen again to back over 100 basis points, amid renewed fears over bank funding and a further loss of trust in the system. Pre-crisis the typical spread was under 10 basis points.

Second, look at the Markit LCDX index of default swaps on 100 U.S. leveraged loans. The index rallied in January, but has now returned to 72.5% of face value, close to the record low seen in December. Auctions to determine swap payouts are producing very low indicative recovery rates: 40% versus an average recovery rate over the past 20 years for bank loans of around 81%. Low recoveries will hit loss reserves hard.

Third, spreads on nearly all tranches of the CMBX index, which tracks default swaps on 25 U.S. commercial mortgage-backed securities, have reached new record wide levels in February after a January rally. Moody's on Feb. 5 said it was considering cutting ratings on $302 billion of CMBS due to falling commercial property values and rising delinquencies.

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To: blam

Market return todate since Nov 4, 2008.....-25.20%


21 posted on 02/23/2009 10:06:27 AM PST by IrishMike (Barack Zero - the 600 million dollar selected candidate)
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To: IrishMike

The WSJ is correct. The Dow will continue to crash and my IRA and investments will bankrupt me though I have paid off my home, have no debt and worked hard from age 12 to 70. But, this crowd wants to rescue the losers, the uninformed, the non-productive. And so it goes as American becomes a Third World nation. But the dumbed down illiterates will keep electing liberal Dems until we and Chavez will look just alike.


22 posted on 02/23/2009 10:09:48 AM PST by phillyfanatic ( iT)
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To: phillyfanatic

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

Winston Churchill


23 posted on 02/23/2009 10:12:07 AM PST by IrishMike (Barack Zero - the 600 million dollar selected candidate)
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To: Lancey Howard
Md Max is what emerges from the ashes.

Μολὼν λάβε

24 posted on 02/23/2009 10:12:45 AM PST by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" and the Scout Motto)
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To: blam

As soon as Joe the Plagiarist started talking in preparation for Big O, the thing started falling hard. Honestly you’d think these people would get it after awhile, but they just can’t help wanting to hear themselves speak. They’re just THAT IMPORTANT.


25 posted on 02/23/2009 10:14:59 AM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Well said.

America as both an ideal and an entity has been for too long the dog to which the world's ticks have attached themselves. This goes double for America's own citizens, and at least triple for it's current crop of "leaders."

They have enjoyed the meal and the ride but they have bled their life source dry in the process. Now those same parasites think it is "kick-the-dog" time? They'll turn to and then on one another soon enough. It will not be pretty.

I am evermore convinced that someone hit civilization's rewind button and it we have spun back to Hobbe's Leviathan:

Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."

26 posted on 02/23/2009 10:16:48 AM PST by shoutingandpointing
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To: Ken H
Liberal educators have been trying for decades to discount the writings and feelings of our founders as respects God and the Judao-Christian principles that undergird our socierty.

While it is true that later in Madison's lief he is oft quoted as indicating that, for example, having paid Chaplains, elected by a majority of the hosue and senate, in his mind violated the constitution, it does not change the fact that earlier, both during and before the wrtiting and ratifying of the constitution that Madison spoke out strongly regarding the indispensability of religious principle as a foundational framework of good government.

The quote above is attrinuted to June 20, 1785. Here are others from Madison that refute what the liberal educators and revisionists say that that quote does not resemble other Madison quotes. On this point they are absolutely wrong.

James Madison said in 1788:

The belief in a God All Powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the World and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources nor adapted with too much solicitude to the different characters and capacities to be impressed with it.
On March 4, 1809, President James Madison explained in his Inaugural Address:
We have all been encouraged to feel in the guardianship and guidance of that Almighty Being, whose power regulates the destiny of nations.
In 1785 James Madison explained:
"It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage.... Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe.

"Whilst we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess, and to observe the Religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny an equal freedom to those whose minds have not yet yielded to the evidence which has convinced us. If this freedom be abused, it is an offense against God, not against man: To God, therefore, not to man, must an account of it be rendered.

"Religion, or the duty we owe to our Creator, and manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and, therefore, that all men should enjoy the fullest toleration in the exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience, unpunished and unrestrained by the magistrate, unless under color of religion any man disturb the peace, the happiness, or safety of society, and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love and charity toward each other."
James Madison, who made copious notes in his personal Bible, wrote in Acts Chapter 19:
Believers who are in a State of Grace, have need of the word of God for their Edification and Building up therefore implies a possibility of falling. v. 32. Grace, it is the free gift of God. Luke. 12. 32-v.32. Giver more blessed than the Receiver. v. 35. To neglect the means for our own preservation is to Tempt God: and to trust to them is to neglect him. v. 3 & Ch. 27. v. 31. Humility, the better any man is, the lower thoughts he has of himself. v. 19. Ministers to take heed to themselves & their flock. v. 28. The apostles did greater Miracles than Christ, in the matter, not manner, of them. v. 11
James Madison, wrote on November 9, 1772 to William Bradford:
A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest while we are building ideal monuments of Renown and Bliss here we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven.

I find that the original quote is in fact consistant with Madison's other wrttings at that time...irrespective of how his views may have changed years later, and that therefore the June 20, 1785 quote is very likely to be authentic. It's been quoted for a long time, and cited to that date. It may well not have been writtenm down, so proving it either way will be difficult if not impossible. But his other quotes in that time frame tell me that these were his sentiments.

27 posted on 02/23/2009 10:29:33 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: shoutingandpointing

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28 posted on 02/23/2009 10:33:10 AM PST by gigster
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To: Jeff Head
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

James Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 20 June 1785

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions43.html

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Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.

James Madison, Detached Memoranda ca. 1817

--http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions64.html

29 posted on 02/23/2009 10:38:16 AM PST by Ken H
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To: phillyfanatic

You are right. Look at Michigan. The state has been in the tank for years yet they keep electing criminals as Mayor of the state’s biggest city and a liberal Governor and two very liberal US Senators.


30 posted on 02/23/2009 10:48:14 AM PST by bombthrower
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To: Jeff Head
Thomas Jefferson also said:

“…I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826),
Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin
(1802)
31 posted on 02/23/2009 10:54:35 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The Constitution & Bill of Rights stand as a whole. Remove any part & nullify the whole.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Thomas Jefferson never said that.


32 posted on 02/23/2009 11:35:07 AM PST by Malsua
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To: Ken H
When speaking of the Church of England or other state operated religions...he was precisely correct. But that was not the model developing in America...nor has it developed.

When speaking of the fundamental values underlying religion of his day, where those religions were not state religions but operated by the people themselves, IMHO Mdison was just as clear on his advocacy.

33 posted on 02/23/2009 12:07:50 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: phillyfanatic

It is nothing more than reparations for slavery.
There I said it


34 posted on 02/23/2009 12:28:26 PM PST by Munz (Infiltrate Interrogate Eradicate NEXT!)
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To: quesney

All this points to the IGNORANT people who are ruining this Country.

Send them a copy of The Federalist Papers and tell them to actually READ it.

http://patriotshop.us has them at a good price and you’ll help a good cause.


35 posted on 02/23/2009 12:38:12 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The Constitution & Bill of Rights stand as a whole. Remove any part & nullify the whole.)
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To: Malsua
Thomas Jefferson never said that.

No, he wrote it.

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.97DA

And if you say he didn't write it, site two sources, neither of which can be the left leaning agendized Snopes.
36 posted on 02/23/2009 1:11:50 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The Constitution & Bill of Rights stand as a whole. Remove any part & nullify the whole.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Private_Banks_(Quotation)


37 posted on 02/23/2009 1:19:24 PM PST by Malsua
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To: HighlyOpinionated

http://www.markturner.net/2008/10/02/jeffersons-bogus-bank-quote-in-the-wild/

REad down.

“Yes, Mike … how did he know? How did Jefferson know about inflation when the word wasn’t even used until he was long gone? Jefferson really was a man ahead of his time!”


38 posted on 02/23/2009 1:21:16 PM PST by Malsua
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To: HighlyOpinionated

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=24340.0


39 posted on 02/23/2009 1:21:55 PM PST by Malsua
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To: HighlyOpinionated

http://www.jamesmaurer.com/thomas-jefferson-quotes-and-banking.asp

>>The truth is, words such as Inflation (originated around 1864) and Deflation (originated in 1920) did not even exist during that time period.<<


40 posted on 02/23/2009 1:23:02 PM PST by Malsua
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