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On another thread there is a reminder of the social and moral implications of Darwinism once one adopts either a non-existent or an absentee God. It is an obvious thing that no higher morality is possible in such a belief system. In the atheistic system, one will get chaos...no higher morality at all. In the theistic evolutionary system one will get a relativist, situational morality at best.

Higher purpose, higher morality, higher love, higher hope....all disappear or morph under chaos or situationism.

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So when some scientists like Dawkins – using the reductionist “methodological naturalism” and the scientific method – look over the upper rim of their glasses at us Christians and declare that the spirit and soul do not exist or that the mind is just an epiphenomenon of the physical brain or that there is no ghost in the machine or that God is a delusion – we understandably shake our heads. Conversely, it is just as annoying to them when we do theology under the color of science.

If an eyewitness were present at creation, and then relayed observations, that would have bearing on the discussion. Our Bible states just that. An eyewitness has descibed significant details of creation.

It's wrong to go beyond those details, but it's equally wrong to ignore them.

Likewise, it's wrong for me to deny the skeleton of a T-Rex. It does exist, and its existence has a proper explanation. I must not go beyond the facts, nor should I ignore them. Natural revelation also has its message to me from God.

Thank you oh so very much for sharing your testimony and insights, dear brother in Christ!

Higher purpose, higher morality, higher love, higher hope....all disappear or morph under chaos or situationism.

Interestingly, the root of the word "rational" is ratio which is the quotient between two things, the subject and the object of the comparison.

There must be that which doesn't change and that which does change. God is the absolute. He does not change.

I'm tempted, but I'll go no further because my dearest sister in Christ, betty boop, has an entire cosmology built on that universal truth. And we would all benefit from her outlining it to us.

If an eyewitness were present at creation, and then relayed observations, that would have bearing on the discussion. Our Bible states just that. An eyewitness has descibed significant details of creation.

It's wrong to go beyond those details, but it's equally wrong to ignore them.

So very true!

As for me, when the age of the universe comes up, I usually just try to finish the sentences.

The universe is 13 plus billion years old from our space/time coordinates as observers.

The universe is 7 days old from the inception space/time coordinates at which point (in the beginning) God was the only observer.

The two statements are not mutually exclusive under general relativity.

Interestingly, Einstein was a Jew. So also is Gerald Schroeder, the Physicist who applies relativity and inflationary theory to Genesis 1.

Likewise, it's wrong for me to deny the skeleton of a T-Rex. It does exist, and its existence has a proper explanation. I must not go beyond the facts, nor should I ignore them. Natural revelation also has its message to me from God.

I very strongly agree, dear brother in Christ!

I perceive that God the Father has revealed Himself to us in four ways: (1) through the Person of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, (2) through the Person of the indwelling Holy Spirit, (3) through the Scriptures, and (4) through the Creation, both spiritual and physical - heaven and earth.

And I have perceived no inconsistencies perhaps because (1) His Name I AM is my guide, (2) man is not the measure of God, and (3) a thing is true because God says it.

To God be the glory!

On another thread there is a reminder of the social and moral implications of Darwinism once one adopts either a non-existent or an absentee God. It is an obvious thing that no higher morality is possible in such a belief system. In the atheistic system, one will get chaos...no higher morality at all. In the theistic evolutionary system one will get a relativist, situational morality at best.

Perfectly stated!

Without God, we all become the arbiters of our own morality and as inherently selfish and self-centered humans, that morality will ALWAYS be immoral. It is because of this that we see people totally disregard the rights and even lives of others just to satisfy their own desires.