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To: curiosity

>>> a person born in the US to non-citizen parents is a natural born citizen so long as he is subject to US jurisdiction when he is born.

Oh really? Can you cite any SCOTUS cases on this?!

Granting citizenship to illegal alien babies, as of the last few presidents (including Bush — grrr), is an Executive branch amnesty — via the State Department mostly. Neither Congress nor the Supreme Court has ever decided one way or the other on that issue, so the Executive branch has made their own interpretation, and has decided to allow them citizenship (certainly NOT Natural Born Citizenship), which, IMO, it does not have the Constitutional right to do.

Furthermore, the 14th Amendment was added to grant citizenship to slaves that were freed by the 13th Amendment since they were born on U.S. soil. It most definitely was NOT intended or envisioned so that women could travel thousands of miles (as transportation back then was a VERY risky endeavor), enter our country without going through Customs or any other type of Passport or Visa process, just to “break their water” on our sovereign soil in order for their child to become a “Natural Born Citizen”.

Please put the bong pipe down and start making some intelligent statements for once ...


330 posted on 02/24/2009 9:49:46 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2
Oh really? Can you cite any SCOTUS cases on this?!

This web site lays it out nicely:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/the-great-mother-of-all-natural-born-citizen-quotation-pages/

Granting citizenship to illegal alien babies, as of the last few presidents (including Bush — grrr), is an Executive branch amnesty — via the State Department mostly.

I agree that the question of whether US-born babies of illegal aliens are US citizens has not been definitively settled in the courts. That's because it is unlcear whether such babies are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US.

However, neither of Obama's parents was an illegal alien. His mother was a citizen, and his father was here legally and was not a diplomat. That makes it undeniable that Obama was subject to US jurisdiction when born.

337 posted on 02/24/2009 10:07:25 AM PST by curiosity
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To: BP2
Furthermore, the 14th Amendment was added to grant citizenship to slaves that were freed by the 13th Amendment since they were born on U.S. soil.

No, the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment was added in order to take control of citizenship away from the states and place it in the sole province of the federal government. It was intended to define who was and who was not a citizen of the United States in all cases.

In the words of Senator Howard, author of the citizenship clause:

It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States.



338 posted on 02/24/2009 10:12:45 AM PST by Michael Michael
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